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Thread: Dividing the United States

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, before you criticize leadership perhaps you should form an opinion on what you think it should be doing instead.

    I have my opinions on what should be done, naturally... and we could derail this thread talking about the specifics of dozens of issues.

    But the point is that things are not looking good and most people have no confidence in our country's leadership, and I pointed out how much this reminded me of the late 70s.

    If I had all the answers, bud, I'd run for Prez myself...

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I have my opinions on what should be done, naturally... and we could derail this thread talking about the specifics of dozens of issues.

    But the point is that things are not looking good and most people have no confidence in our country's leadership, and I pointed out how much this reminded me of the late 70s.

    If I had all the answers, bud, I'd run for Prez myself...
    If you weren't up for discussing superior leadership strategies you shouldn't have criticized his leadership. Your post amounted to no better than a drive-by, and one irrelevant to the thread at that.

    You do that a lot you know, though I'm not sure you're aware of it.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    To be honest, lately I've been feeling like it was 1978. Misery index, nuclear whatnot, foreign threats, and no leadership...
    Same here, but I don't think Carter was trying to divide the country politically. I believe his intentions were good. I can't really say the same about the current prez.
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Same here, but I don't think Carter was trying to divide the country politically. I believe his intentions were good. I can't really say the same about the current prez.
    Have you even listened to am radio? It's an infinity-lengthed infomercial against liberals. Literally every to every other sentence has the words "liberal" or "the left" in it. When your agenda is to convince one half of the nation that the other half is your enemy, that crap is divisive. And it's much more harmful to the country than practically anything a politician does because when a country is this polarized, it guarantees that no matter how bad an idea is, at least 50% of the population will support it.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Curse Obama for going what he thinks is best rather than following a populist agenda!
    What he thinks best . . . for the Democratic Party. He has copped to this more than once.
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Same here, but I don't think Carter was trying to divide the country politically. I believe his intentions were good. I can't really say the same about the current prez.
    I agree with that. I think Carter was genuinely doing what he saw as the most good, even if I disagreed with much of it and he wasn't up to the task.

    Obama reeks of opportunism. And isn't up to the task.
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    obama reminds me of Clinton more than Carter. Carter was an inept buffoon while Clinton was a shrewd manipulator and implemented the triangulation strategy which is really the divide and conquer strategy with another name and obama is following that example.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    My point was it reminds me of the Carter years. Doom and gloom, high energy prices, everyone in a panic about something, foreign threats multiplying... and no sign of effective leadership.
    Nobody can effectively lead when half the people they are supposed to lead are committed to opposing them in all circumstances and in every way they can from the very beginning of their tenure. America doesn't have effective leaders (in Congress or elsewhere) because it is incapable of producing them, because it doesn't distill virtues like respect or obedience.
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Nobody can effectively lead when half the people they are supposed to lead are committed to opposing them in all circumstances and in every way they can from the very beginning of their tenure. America doesn't have effective leaders (in Congress or elsewhere) because it is incapable of producing them.
    So you agree that Obama isn't an effective leader.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Nobody can effectively lead when half the people they are supposed to lead are committed to opposing them in all circumstances and in every way they can from the very beginning of their tenure. America doesn't have effective leaders (in Congress or elsewhere) because it is incapable of producing them.
    I know all about McConnell statement about making the president and one term president at the beginning of his first term. But a lot of the opposition the president has gotten is his own fault. If you look back through history, you will see the successful presidents always had reached out to someone from across the aisle that they could work with when the going got tough. Eisenhower did that with LBJ, then the senate majority leader and had LBJ over to the White House at least 3 times a week to discuss IKE’s agenda. JFK and LBJ worked very closely with Everit Dirksen, then the Republican Senate minority leader. Nixon as far as I can recollect worked with no one and we all know what happened to him.

    Ford wasn’t in office long enough to developed a working relationship with members of the opposing party, but knew most of congress personally and the potential was there. Carter was another one who didn’t work with anyone from the across the aisle. In fact he had a hard time working with members of his own party which were in the majority and Jimmy boy actually shut down government 4 times during his tenure.

    Reagan and Tip O’Neal, the Democratic House Speaker, their relationship is a famous one and they worked great together. Bush Sr. relied on Dan Rostinkowski and was always seeking his advice. Even Billy boy Clinton was able to work first with Gingrich and then with Hastert after the GOP won congress back in 94. Clinton also had a pretty good working relationship with Trent Lott, then the Senate majority Leader.

    Bush Jr., who had majorities in both chambers of congress for his first six years, really didn’t have to develop a close working relationship with any one across the aisle. Obama with his huge majorities in both chambers when he came into office, followed Bush Jr. in not developing and friendship or working relationship with the opposite party. He thought he didn’t need to. But the election of 2010 changed all of that and for the next two years, he and the republicans knocked heads.

    Now Obama is starting to realize he has to develop some sort of working relationship. Perhaps that will happen with Speaker Boehner, maybe not. But finally the president is trying. Better late than never, time will tell if his charm offensive succeeds.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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