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Thread: Dividing the United States

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    How old are you?
    Old enough to remember all the Presidents listed.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So basically the liberal argument is this..

    We the people elect the representatives.
    We the people are not divided.
    The representatives we elect are divided.

    My argument has jack to do with liberalism. Congress as an institution is more polarized than the general populace or even just the general electorate. There are systematic reasons for this.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What do you think he should be doing about the misery index and nuclear whatnot (and how does that even relate to this thread)?

    My point was it reminds me of the Carter years. Doom and gloom, high energy prices, everyone in a panic about something, foreign threats multiplying... and no sign of effective leadership.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    My argument has jack to do with liberalism. Congress as an institution is more polarized than the general populace or even just the general electorate. There are systematic reasons for this.
    Of course, it's the system that is making the congress not match the peoples views. That has to be it.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't think the President (any President) is dividing the country. I don't even think that the country is really that divided relative to the historical record. I think the polarization of Congress as an institution, and the advent of the 24 hour news cycle and the age of social media give people the IMPRESSION that the country is divided.

    I don't really think the country is all that divided, I think our government is and it is contributing to their failure to govern.
    Excellent point

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    My point was it reminds me of the Carter years. Doom and gloom, high energy prices, everyone in a panic about something, foreign threats multiplying... and no sign of effective leadership.
    Which didn't answer my question.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Which didn't answer my question.

    And you expect me to have all the solutions that the government seems unable to devise... why?

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    For my part I think certain media outlets have agendas that are set to divide the country much more so than politicians.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    And you expect me to have all the solutions that the government seems unable to devise... why?
    Well, before you criticize leadership perhaps you should form an opinion on what you think it should be doing instead.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Someone voted for G.W. Bush. I suppose a vote for G.W. Bush was actually a vote for Al Gore. What a poor loser that guy was.

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