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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yet this changes nothing of what the majority in this country thinks now.....Does it? Doesn't matter what you or I think.....sure those who Support Obama can attempt to deny such. Yet it is the left looking for specific incidents. Even tho Obama was accused of Racially Charged Speeches and all. No other President has been involved in more drama over Race......than Obama.

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    Bingo! I've personally never seen the country more divided but of course I wasn't around in the 1800s. What is interesting is I do not attribute this polarization to anything uniquely divisive with President Obama's administration. Rather what I attribute it to one of the most aggressive demonization propaganda campaigns in American history carried out by the right-wing media. Then these same pundits tell they trusting and devoted followers some of whom are even elected official, its Obama that's causing the divisiveness and they eat it up with a knife and fork.
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Bingo! I've personally never seen the country more divided but of course I wasn't around in the 1800s. What is interesting is I do not attribute this polarization to anything particularly uniquely divisive with President Obama's administration. Rather what I attribute it to one of the most aggressive demonization propaganda campaigns in American history carried out by the right-wing media. Then these same pundits tell they trusting and devoted followers its Obama that's causing the divisiveness and they eat it up with a knife and fork.
    I guess that is how you view it.....but then there are those on the left that has called it out when they have seen it. So I tend to look at what all are saying and not just one side. Maybe those on that left did so.....because they didn't like him personally.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

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    How is borrowing 100% of federal "discretionary" spending reasonable? If it is worth doing then it is also worth actually paying for it, for the most part. To simply assert that all federal spending is really just "investment", and thus worthy of financing on credit, is simply insane. Obama proposes a 2014 "budget" that spends more than in 2013, yet tells us that is a reduction in federal spending; if that is not ego, then what is?.

    Why do people make up crap and quote that as what I said? I said we all want reasonable solutions but don't agree on what that is. I never said anything about spending or who's more guilty of being unreasonable or egotistical.

    Tell me what you think is fiscally responsible and won't tank the economy?
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Why do people make up crap and quote that as what I said? I said we all want reasonable solutions but don't agree on what that is. I never said anything about spending or who's more guilty of being unreasonable or egotistical.

    Tell me what you think is fiscally responsible and won't tank the economy?
    It will tank the portion of the economy based on spending gov't handouts, yet what good is that portion of the economy? What Obama policy will cause those that now accept getting the dole to not do so? The nonsense that food stamps create (or save) jobs is insane. We simutaneously assert the need for "guest workers" while insisting that the economy will "fall apart" if we do not pay others not to work (or raise their income beyond what their employer is expected to pay them). The insane idea that we will just borrow and spend until "things get better" works no better for a gov't than for a business or household "budget" stategy.
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It will tank the portion of the economy based on spending gov't handouts, yet what good is that portion of the economy? What Obama policy will cause those that now accept getting the dole to not do so? The nonsense that food stamps create (or save) jobs is insane. We simutaneously assert the need for "guest workers" while insisting that the economy will "fall apart" if we do not pay others not to work (or raise their income beyond what their employer is expected to pay them). The insane idea that we will just borrow and spend until "things get better" works no better for a gov't than for a business or household "budget" stategy.
    I agree they're creating a huge problem for the near future but you also can't stop it all at once. Politicians do what's convenient and expedient and rarely what hurts in the short term but brings success later. They'll say the Market is up (all time high), businesses are making more profit than any other time in history and corporations can get easy credit. Wait that helps big businesses, so it's the middle class that's not getting a fair shake?
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I agree they're creating a huge problem for the near future but you also can't stop it all at once. Politicians do what's convenient and expedient and rarely what hurts in the short term but brings success later. They'll say the Market is up (all time high), businesses are making more profit than any other time in history and corporations can get easy credit. Wait that helps big businesses, so it's the middle class that's not getting a fair shake?
    The easy credit is a gov't creation to artificially keep the interest on the national debt "managable", IMHO. More money in the stock market is also due to bonds paying so little. We will soon see what happens come "austerity day" when borrowing and printing money is no longer possible.
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The easy credit is a gov't creation to artificially keep the interest on the national debt "managable", IMHO. More money in the stock market is also due to bonds paying so little. We will soon see what happens come "austerity day" when borrowing and printing money is no longer possible.

    Again, I agree with the interest rate settings, including trying to encourage economic growth. Some supporters of current policies believe that easy money is the new standard but I believe like you that they will have to make adjustments soon or face a tsunami of debt related failures.
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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Why would I be too good for them.....
    You said nothing about them. It's clear where your priorities lie.

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    Re: Dividing the United States

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    You said nothing about them. It's clear where your priorities lie.
    Yeah like with all others.....with their own people first, huh?

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    Re: Dividing the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah like with all others.....with their own people first, huh?
    I guess only if you like the fancy bits first.

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