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Thread: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    I just think it's a shame they didn't stay there.

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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    It was legal.

    In my humble opinion by virtue of the fact Beyonce and Jay-Z and American cultural icons who engaged in cultural outreach while in Cuba I think was it qualifies as a legitimate Treasury Department authorization. I think the more efforts can be made to get the people of other countries to embrace Americans, especially countries we are at odds with at some level, it helps foster good will toward us and helps create a "pro-America" global culture. This is IMHO good for America even if the results are not always seen immediately.

    BTW: The embargo against Cuba is something supported by the Cuban-American exile community; an effort to bring the communist regime to its knees economically and help usher in a democratic style regime change. Guess what has been reported as Cuba's number one industry at one time? Hope you're sitting. Cuban-American exiles wiring money via Western Union to the family in Cuba they've left behind. I'd love to see democratic reform in Cuba but IMHO we have an inconsistent policy when we turn a blind eye to places like Saudi Arabia and China but apply special no-trade rules to Cuba. However my educated guess is more people in this country are less concerned about the merits or lack of merits of the Cuban embargo and more concerned about maybe this Jay-Z Beyonce trip might have afforded an opportunity to bash Obama that needs to be maximized.
    I'm not for the embargo in and of itself but if you have one and then let so called stars like this visit anyway you do more harm than good.

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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I'm not for the embargo in and of itself but if you have one and then let so called stars like this visit anyway you do more harm than good.
    I have a friend who's been there several times on church mission trips. There are faith-based, educational and cultural exemptions to the Cuban travel embargo.
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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by penn1954 View Post
    IMO Just goes to show, It's not what you know,It's who you know!! This disgusts me simply because an average working slob could never get permission for this trip!!
    You should write the radical right republicans who cater to the Cuban exile crowd in Congress/Florida. They scream a red streak at even the thought of relaxing the restrictions. The average slob can't go because the right wing slobs in Congress refuse to go along with that.

    it is high time we drop the pretense of the restrictions have any positive effect.

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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    Isn't quite easy for an American to visit Cuba?

    Don't the immigration officers just not stamp your passport and wave you on? Or so I heard from some Americans.

    Going there this Summer. Can't wait. So option 3 it is.

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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Isn't quite easy for an American to visit Cuba?

    Don't the immigration officers just not stamp your passport and wave you on? Or so I heard from some Americans.

    Going there this Summer. Can't wait. So option 3 it is.
    I've heard some Americans do sneak in. They go to Jamaica, The Bahamas or Canada then buy a ticket to Cuba from there. Supposedly the Cuban government works with American travelers and lets them in to visit without stamping their passports. Most however do it legally and request a travel embargo exemption on religious, educational or cultural exchange grounds. Recreational travel is what's not legally allowed.
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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    I have a friend who just got back from Cuba on a cultural exchange trip and loved it - the music, the people, the culture...Obviously, not the government.

    It's time to give up on this ridiculous embargo. It's been so successful that the regime is still in power nearly 50 years later.

    I guarantee you if it became an American tourist destination again, the regime could not conceivably last much longer under pressure for modernization.
    I wonder about this. Cuba is starting to decentralize, but I think the embargo dies with the Castro brothers. I would love to take a vacation to Cuba at some point in my life because from speaking to people who immigrated here from there it sounds like a beautiful island with a great culture. I know some of the food I've enjoyed from Cuban immigrants was fantastic, the music is awesome, and they have a love of life that is second to none. Sounds like great people to party with.
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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Actually, if you look at it closely, the embargoes on North Korea had little effect originally because it only harmed the little people - when they started to embargo luxury goods and fancy cars, Kim Jong-un sat up and took notice and he's suddenly quite bellicose and threatening - now they're hurting where it counts. With Iran, the embargoes are working because they have severely undermined any power Ahmadinejad still had in the regime - the people hate him and even the Ayatollahs are about to throw him under the bus - they don't like their dirty work coming under so much overt scrutiny.

    Cuba, however, is much different in that its regime is harmless and its people love America and American culture and their communist friends are fading away, including Chavez recently, so the time may be ripe for opening up relations between the two countries - Canada's relationship with Cuba and their people has not harmed us in any way.
    Agree here. At present the Castro brothers have nothing, it was a different story during the cold war when Russia was backing the country, especially during the '60s but now Cuba is boxed in, cut off, and toothless. Realistically we could have a decent relationship, and Raul Castro seems more than willing to discuss the future so I say it's harmless to open up diplomatic avenues.
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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    CRAP! Cuba was a nice place to go without running into tons of americans, you guys are going ruin that
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