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Thread: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    I have a friend who just got back from Cuba on a cultural exchange trip and loved it - the music, the people, the culture...Obviously, not the government.

    It's time to give up on this ridiculous embargo. It's been so successful that the regime is still in power nearly 50 years later.

    I guarantee you if it became an American tourist destination again, the regime could not conceivably last much longer under pressure for modernization.

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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So obama's treasury dept. gave the OK for this star couple to go to Cuba on the grounds that it encouraged "meaningful contact" with the Cuban people. I know the Rodman trip to NK has worked out great so I'm sure this will too. What I am wondering though is did this little Cuban vacation help the US and democracy or did it help Cuba and communism-fascism.

    "The mystery of whether Beyonce and Jay-Z's wedding anniversary trip to Cuba was legal has been solved. The Treasury Department says the power couple's trip to Cuba was authorized under a licensed program that encourages "meaningful contacts" with the Cuban people.The acknowledgment was made in Treasury Department letters sent Tuesday to Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Republican Florida lawmakers who had asked the department if the trip had violated the embargo against Cuba and was licensed. A copy of the letter to Diaz-Balart was obtained by ABC News, Rep. Ros-Lehtinen's office released a copy of the letter sent to her."

    Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba Was Legal, Treasury Department Says - ABC News
    IMO Just goes to show,

    It's not what you know,It's who you know!!

    This disgusts me simply because an average

    working slob could never get permission for this trip!!

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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    Nothing will change between the U.S.A. and Cuba's, relationship!


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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    My honest opinion is this trip helped the Cuban regime with a nice photo op and good press from these two worthless air heads.

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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    I have a friend who just got back from Cuba on a cultural exchange trip and loved it - the music, the people, the culture...Obviously, not the government.

    It's time to give up on this ridiculous embargo. It's been so successful that the regime is still in power nearly 50 years later.

    I guarantee you if it became an American tourist destination again, the regime could not conceivably last much longer under pressure for modernization.
    Embargos work so well! We put one on Cuba and....oh...Well, there's the one on Iran...oh they're still in charge too...North Korea.....

    Somebody help me out here.


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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    I see it just as a quid-pro-quo for campaign fundraising the entertainment couple did on behalf of Obama and Democrats - celebrity couples being out of the country, and not here in Canada, preaching to others, not us, can't be a bad thing. Why not send Obama to Cuba - they have golf courses, don't they?

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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    To answer the question, I don't really care.


    Or better yet:

    I got 99 problems, but Jazy-zandbeyoncevisitinganislandthatwehavehadanembargoo nforgodknowshowlongianotthatseriousofasituationand infactmayactuallybenefitcubanamericanrelationships atleastonapersonallevel ain't one.
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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    No answer to the question or was that it?
    That was it.

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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So obama's treasury dept. gave the OK for this star couple to go to Cuba on the grounds that it encouraged "meaningful contact" with the Cuban people. I know the Rodman trip to NK has worked out great so I'm sure this will too. What I am wondering though is did this little Cuban vacation help the US and democracy or did it help Cuba and communism-fascism.

    "The mystery of whether Beyonce and Jay-Z's wedding anniversary trip to Cuba was legal has been solved. The Treasury Department says the power couple's trip to Cuba was authorized under a licensed program that encourages "meaningful contacts" with the Cuban people.The acknowledgment was made in Treasury Department letters sent Tuesday to Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Republican Florida lawmakers who had asked the department if the trip had violated the embargo against Cuba and was licensed. A copy of the letter to Diaz-Balart was obtained by ABC News, Rep. Ros-Lehtinen's office released a copy of the letter sent to her."

    Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba Was Legal, Treasury Department Says - ABC News
    It was legal.

    In my humble opinion by virtue of the fact Beyonce and Jay-Z and American cultural icons who engaged in cultural outreach while in Cuba I think was it qualifies as a legitimate Treasury Department authorization. I think the more efforts can be made to get the people of other countries to embrace Americans, especially countries we are at odds with at some level, it helps foster good will toward us and helps create a "pro-America" global culture. This is IMHO good for America even if the results are not always seen immediately.

    BTW: The embargo against Cuba is something supported by the Cuban-American exile community; an effort to bring the communist regime to its knees economically and help usher in a democratic style regime change. Guess what has been reported as Cuba's number one industry at one time? Hope you're sitting. Cuban-American exiles wiring money via Western Union to the family in Cuba they've left behind. I'd love to see democratic reform in Cuba but IMHO we have an inconsistent policy when we turn a blind eye to places like Saudi Arabia and China but apply special no-trade rules to Cuba. However my educated guess is more people in this country are less concerned about the merits or lack of merits of the Cuban embargo and more concerned about maybe this Jay-Z Beyonce trip might have afforded an opportunity to bash Obama that needs to be maximized.
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    Re: Beyonce and Jay-Z's Trip to Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Embargos work so well! We put one on Cuba and....oh...Well, there's the one on Iran...oh they're still in charge too...North Korea.....

    Somebody help me out here.
    Actually, if you look at it closely, the embargoes on North Korea had little effect originally because it only harmed the little people - when they started to embargo luxury goods and fancy cars, Kim Jong-un sat up and took notice and he's suddenly quite bellicose and threatening - now they're hurting where it counts. With Iran, the embargoes are working because they have severely undermined any power Ahmadinejad still had in the regime - the people hate him and even the Ayatollahs are about to throw him under the bus - they don't like their dirty work coming under so much overt scrutiny.

    Cuba, however, is much different in that its regime is harmless and its people love America and American culture and their communist friends are fading away, including Chavez recently, so the time may be ripe for opening up relations between the two countries - Canada's relationship with Cuba and their people has not harmed us in any way.

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