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This is stupid. How can a woman rape a man?
Easy. Not all women are dainty, not all men are muscular. An erection is involuntary.
This is stupid. How can a woman rape a man?
Easy. Not all women are dainty, not all men are muscular. An erection is involuntary.
So the man is a teenager with no muscle yet in this scenario to have an involuntary erection of a non dainty woman then?
So the man is a teenager with no muscle yet in this scenario to have an involuntary erection of a non dainty woman then?
Just be sure you bite down hard enough and that you can run like the wind because if you don't truly incapacitate him, he's then going to kill you.
If someone broke into her house and held her at gunpoint tell her he/she is going to rape her husband or her kids?
This may take a bit. Best to read the posts #73 - #256. I had to apologize towards the end because we had backed him into a corner but here you go.
Start here- http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-c...e-why-important-get-guns-under-control-8.html
"If they are going to take those things, they will shoot you if you have a gun or not. I would rather them take my car, my wife or my "ass" then be dead."
"Take it as you like.. But if a guy comes running from 400 yards away with a knife or a gun and my wife just stands there staring at the guy... well.. that's pretty dumb..
Or if someone is breaking into my house at night.. all my alarms go off.. he tries to break thru my metal door.. finds out he cant after a minute or two and starts looking for windows to break into.. after a minute or two of that.. gets into the house.. and finds the room we are in after a minute or so... and tries breaking the solid oak door in..which would take a few minutes... and my wife is just standing there......"
"If my wife is dumb enough to just stand there and get attacked.. then sorry, nothing I can do about that."
"Id rather be a coward then dead. My wife will heal and my "ass" will heal. People who's pride is worth more than their life are in my opinion, moronic cavemen."
He kind of redeems himself with this - "Im not going to jump out of bed then out the window.. im going to grab her ass and throw her out the window if I have to and we will both run to safety."
But then goes on a different tangent with these in response to a post in which someone states that they had helped a friend who worked at a bar - "Why would she want to work at a bar where she could be physically assaulted every night. Sorry, there are plenty of jobs and I have always thought bartending was a terrible job for a woman who at all cares about their personal safety. Sorry, I would not associate with a bar maid, ever date one or ever marry one. They come with to much trouble. If you want to get shot for one of them, that's on you."
"If someone handed you a pitch fork and promised you would find a 5 carrot diamond at the end of a nearly collapsing mine, would you go for it knowing you would likely be buried alive and killed.
Then why would any woman want to work at a bar full of drunk horny dudes.. especially in an area where "thugs" are expected to be a part of the areas demographic. I have never understood that. It seems pretty ignorant to put yourself at that kind of risk for such little money.. or for any amount of money really."
In all honesty, in fairness to Capster one would have to follow the thread from post #73 to #256 for full context.
Oh, dude. You made this post to the wrong person. :lol:
Because I happen to know exactly where you got all of this, and it ain't from your own head.
You literally sound like an MRA shill, because I have read what feels like nearly these exact words from the loudest screaming heads over on that corner of the internet.
You're still not worth the time for a serious deconstruction, but since I have links for a couple of these on-hand, I'll just blow up a couple of your points as convenience allows.
What you just said is that you're a feminist, but you just don't understand what feminism is.
No, when women speak up they are patted on the back.Men are not belittled for speaking up. Men -- and women -- are belittled for speaking ignorantly.
I'm as likely to belittle a woman for telling me why I should spell it "wymyn" as I am to belittle a man for telling me it's all a big female plot, and most people are. If you're being belittled as a matter of course, I don't think it's because you're a man.
That's because you didn't bother to look.
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Well, they have to start with having combat roles, don't they. The biggest roadblock to this is men.
And, by the way, women do fight for that.
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Apparently you're wrong. Although personally, I think the draft registry should be outlawed entirely for men and women both.
Hmm, lazy, or just trying to confirm your own belief by living in a bubble?
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I spent no more than 10 minutes debunking the majority of the crap you spouted in this post.
If you want women to take these jobs more often, then I suggest you get behind the dozen or so projects and organizations I just listed rather than whining that they don't exist, when they evidently do.
Well, I can't say that I went out and did all the research myself, bud did you go out and do all your reasearch yourself or did you provide us with links? Talk about calling the kettle black.
Does it matter. Do you not think men have the right to speak up about things they are not happy about? Or are they just a bunch of screaming heads. I think by the above comment I can already conclude that the only concerns that matter are the concerns of women. Men are just screaming heads. Without even knowing it, you have already proven my point by making the above comment.
nearly 2 percent of coal miners are women.
I dont see any deconstruction, just facades...
I understand exactly what feminism is... Modern feminism has turned against all its founding principles. It started out as a fight for equality. Once it went from fighting for equality, to fighting for the interest of women alone, it was no longer fighting for equality. It is fighting for womens interestes, like a company would fight for its interests by lobying congress. And in business, there is no such thing as equality.
No, when women speak up they are patted on the back.
When men speak up, they are belittled and heckled. You can see this in the media every day. When a man makes a controversial comment, right or wrong, he is raked over the coals in the media.
When a woman makes a controversial statment about a man, she is applauded.
So you don't believe it ever happens?
We will see.. now that combat roles are opened up for women.. we will see if the percentage improves. However, right now women make up about 20% of the military. Most of which serve in the Navy and Air force. And in both services... the standards for a woman to qualify are much lower than for a male.
And only 3 percent of women work in construction.... hmmm...
And women make up about 4% of all pilots........
You did not debunk anything I said. In fact you did me a service and provided many organizations that are out there to more than support women who want to get into these professions but women make up less than 5% of these professions.
Yet... women get 1000% more funding for cancer than men do... hmmm.. seems like women are picking and choosing to me...
Egads... I'm going to try my best with this, but you did quite a hack job with the quotes and it's hard to follow you.
Yes, I did most of it myself, because I've debated people like you before.
But even if I hadn't so what? Those organizations objectively exist, don't they?
Of course they do. I've spent quite a lot of time doing it myself, as a feminist. Feminism should be imminently concerned with the ever-changing metrics of power between the genders.
But what you're doing is not "expressing a concern." You are making baseless assertions using no real information.
I didn't say men are screaming heads. I said the kind of MRA douchebags you're getting your information from are screaming heads. Some MRA's are women.
There's a difference between a man and an MRA. Not all rectangles are squares, and all that.
And if you had done some research on some of the egregious sexual offenses female miners have faced, you would know why.
That is why women's miners advocacy groups exist. They want to encourage women into the field by reducing the likelihood that they will be treated badly.
So proving your wrong a dozen times over with the objective existence of the organizations you said don't exist is a facade? Ok, then. :lol:
Obviously not. I'm a feminist. A lot of men here are feminists. A lot of us spend a lot of time talking about some of the inequalities that exist on the side of men.
But here's the thing: the majority of those inequalities are caused by patriarchy. See my first post to you about "women and children first" being a principle of patriarchy, due to the idea that women are helpless and stupid. This has the affect of devaluing the lives of men.
I won't deny there are some women who are reluctant to give up some privileges patriarchy affords them. But most of these women are "conservative" and don't consider themselves feminists.
It's the rule of trends. If you only get heckled once in a while, chances are you might be saying something society isn't ready for. And in that case, you might be right.
But if it's happening all the time, chances are you're saying something stupid.
We do see examples of women getting away with violent rhetoric against men, yes, that's true. I, for one, make a point of calling that out consistently, as do many other feminists of either sex.
But when a man gets heckled for something like being abused or a survivor of rape, who is heckling him? Overwhelmingly, it's other men.
Ok. So whose fault is it that the standards are what they are? Not the woman's.
I am not saying whether the standards should be higher or lower, but you can't say women are "unwilling" when the standards are such that they often don't qualify.
Mm-hmm. As I understand it, there might actually be a perceptual reason for this. Women tend to be good spacial organizers and night seers (which is why they make fantastic spies), but men tend to have the advantage with depth perception (which is why they make up the majority of pilots).
You said women don't fight for these things. I proved you wrong beyond any shadow of doubt.
And if you'd read a bit about this, you would see why women are less prevalent in these fields, and it's not necessarily because they don't want to participate. It's because of the way men treat them, in most cases.
Actually, it's that men tend to not go to the doctor. It's another one of those patriarchal "men don't need help" things.
I know a couple of therapists who tell me that they always take male depression patients a lot more seriously, because men won't come in for help until they're 2 seconds away from killing themselves. Women tend to come in much sooner, before a crisis point has been reached.
In fact, the problem of men refusing to see a doctor is so bad that women have to advocate FOR THEM.
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This is incredibly unfortunate. We basically emotionally beat boys until they are unable to admit any sign of weakness.
But if you want to find the source of that, feminism isn't it. After all, in traditionalist families, mommies are supposed to be "the nice parent," while daddies are "the bad cop."
In summary, what you've done here is two things, both of which are fallacious on their face.
1. Taken a fringe of feminism and applied it to hundreds of millions of male and female feminists worldwide.
In fact, the problem of men refusing to see a doctor is so bad that women have to advocate FOR THEM.
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We don't need you to help us. We don't want to go to the ****ing doctor! At first I was cool with women fighting causes for men, but after looking into it some more I realize it's just ****ing annoying. It's like they want to be mothers to all men. My mother is in her mid-fifties and I only have one. Stop it.
We don't need you to help us. We don't want to go to the ****ing doctor! At first I was cool with women fighting causes for men, but after looking into it some more I realize it's just ****ing annoying. It's like they want to be mothers to all men. My mother is in her mid-fifties and I only have one. Stop it.
Ok.
Just pointing out how stupid it is for men to complain about a lack of medical attention when they're the ones refusing to see doctors. :shrug:
Ok.
Just pointing out how stupid it is for men to complain about a lack of medical attention when they're the ones refusing to see doctors. :shrug:
The point is we don't need women to tell us what we already damn well know. It's not as if we don't know what we should have done and when. Men do not like going to doctor and like it or not that is our choice to make for whatever reason we see fit and it doesn't matter if you like or not. I don't care what you think it is based on and I don't even care myself what it is based on. I don't want to go to the damn doctor.
That is your choice, but it is ignorant.
Very ignorant. My father was the same way. Spent his entire life refusing to even go to the doctor for a single shot. Dropped dead of a heart attack at 67 years old. The first time he ever had a needle in his arm was when he was hooked up to IVs, in the bed he died in, while we stood around, crying, begging him not to leave us.
Had he gone to a doctor, this probably would have been avoided with medication.
Yes.. and this is what we need to bring to the forefront.. These are great men.. our fathers.. our brothers... our peers... We neet to further mens health issues.
Mostly, men don't think it's manly to go to the doctor. Afraid it makes them look weak. I am fortunate. My husband knows that he would be dead now if not for his doctors, and he makes, and keeps his appointments. Just wish my Father would have done the same.
All your sources are 2nd hand sources.. are you a socialogist or a statistics major that lead these studies. There are virtually thousands of studies on women's issues, but very very few on men's issues. I agree that men need to speak up and that is what I am advocating for. MEN YOU NEED TO SPEAK UP!!!!!!!!! That is the main problem. Most men are raised from childhood not to complain about being hurt, just to suck it up and move on.
They exist, but they have no support among women obviously because they have been ineffective getting women to pull their weight in these fields. The reason is, as i have said many times, most women want to be privy to all the booty without concequence or risk. Which is why most career fields that keep the foundations of our country solid are populated by men by a VAST VAST majority.
When i see a feminist promoting funding and awareness for prostate cancer, I may concede partially to your point. As it stands, male prostate cancer is still a GIANT issue where as female breast cancer is widely know about.
And the Mens Rights Movement is comprised of men with legitimate concerns. I don't understand how you can sit there and say that men don't have any legitimate concerns and women do
There are some MRA concepts I disagree with. I am not as ferverent as you might think. The way I see it, is both sexes have concerns. And both sexes deserved to be heard. So when I hear about Mens Rights Movements events being picketed by feminists, or their advertisement posters being torn down, I cringe.
Why don't they fight for both sexes being treated badly? Not just women? That is the difference between feminism and equality.
Those men are misguided. Many are feminists because they are actually the furthest thing from being feminists. It is kind of like yoga. A man sees a bunch of sexy women streatching in tights, of course he is going to want to be in that group of women. He does not care if other men think he is potentially gay for doing yoga. He is just thinking of all the poon he can get by putting all these females on pedestals.
Some.. I would say a vast majority.... But they follow the feminist thinking that they deserve all the respect without earning it.
Its rampant.... You will not find a TV station that does not have a commercial where a man is bumbing and stubling around like an idiot while the woman is seen as sensible and smart. It is actually comical to both men and women that men are seen in this light. If we were to reverse roles where women are the stupid ones, the station would immediately be sent letters of discontent and protest.
If you see it that way, then you really are not interested in eqaulity.
What are women in the US doing to qualify.
The days of visual "seat by the pants" piloting are over. You don't want to argue with me here as I am actually an Aircraft Technician. A woman is just as capable in an Aircraft as a man would be.
Interesting... so if this is the case, then why have they manages to succeed in all the lucrative fields.. and not in the less lucrative fields? If this were the case, the equal rights movement would have been stopped across the board. But it seems that in the most lucrative areas, it has succeeded.
This is an issue as well, an issue that men need to work on. Women have done wonders for women's health. Why not raise awarness of men's health issues. Why are there few women, if any, who are not one sided.
At least you acknowledge there is an issue. Women are currently the most influential group of people.. so why do they not care about their husbands, fathers and brothers??
This is where the problem lies. Men are being marginalized in relationships. Which in turn, makes them less likely to commit. Which in turn, leads to more single parent families. Particularly, female run families. Which means, most males who grow up raised by women don't get the "bad cop" treatment they need. With boys, you need to set boundries and hold to them. This is where most moms fail as they are the "nice parent" who lets them off the hook. Example... if he does not finish his vegetables, he still gets the ice cream because he tried really hard.
Its the fringe feminist ideals that reach the public. Which is why, as I have shown several times, men are still stuck in their traditional roles and there seems to be no social pressure for women to move out of their traditional roles.
Don't you see that, that is the problem. It is the criticism that effects men the most. As a mother, wife or sister you have ALOT of influence on them. If you are a woman, you understand this concept completely. It has always been a woman's secret weapon, is her sexual influence over men.
This is why we need a concerted effort thru the media to change this perception. Again, one of the issues that I feel very passionately about is getting men the medical attention they need.
I am very guilty of this. I had torn a ligament in my ankle playing basketball with my friends and tried "walking it off" for 3 weeks. Eventually I did seek medical assistence when I could no longer perform my physical training test for my job. Most jobs don;t require this, so when men get injured, they tend to "walk it off" and never heal. This is why men die much earlier than woman.. among other things like being the only ones expected to fight wars and do risky professions..