What would you expect a woman to do?

Capster78 said:

I don't anyone should risk their life in a helpless situation, man or woman.

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The only helpless situation is the one you might choose in which not to participate...

BretJ said:

Actually, it is not instinctive in Capster. This poll came about because of Cap getting raked over the coals for stating he would run away if confronted by an assailant and leave his wife/girlfriend to fend for herself. He went on to state that if she does not run, well...those are the breaks.
He is trying to find someone to tell him he is justified in running away and leaving his girlfriend/future wife to her fate.

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Can you please post where I said I would run away if my wife or girlfriend were being confronted by an assailant. What I said was that I would not get myself killed to save my wife and I would not expect her to get herself killed trying to save me. I love my wife enough to say that if I were in that kind of situation and the gun were pointed at my head, I would not want her to jump in front of it to save me.

Capster78 said:

If someone broke into her house and held her at gunpoint tell her he/she is going to rape her husband or her kids?

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There is no one or good answer to the question as posed. Highly dependent upon the details of the situation and the people involved. No determination can be made from the slim outline presented.

BretJ said:

So very true. Cannot remember the asshats up in Washington or Oregon that kidnapped a family that did not fight back....

Took them to their "bunker in the woods. Tortured and killed dad in front of wife and kids. Killed kids in front of mother. Raped, tortured, killed mother.

They taped the whole thing as a souvenir.

Maybe if mom and dad had been more compliant, these *not a word strong enough* would have just slapped everyone around a bit...

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thats why the death penalty is a necessity

AlabamaPaul said:

Ouch, that must have hurt. I'll protect you M...

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we need human ,superman is a cartoon character..

Capster78 said:

No... I think if society calls a man who does not stand between a bullet and his wife a coward and basically castrates him in the public media.. Women should be held to that same standard even if the person needing help is a man.

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Actually women are expected to protect their children while men are expected to protect their partner and their children. In a way both sexes are have certain protective duties that society puts on to them. Regardless of what people think of social roles they don't just come out of no where and to the most part they're based on real world application of the ideas in question to put forward the best situation possible for the parties involved. To call for the same standards is basically ignoring why the standards exist to begin with which might very well be reasonable.

BretJ said:

Actually, it is not instinctive in Capster. This poll came about because of Cap getting raked over the coals for stating he would run away if confronted by an assailant and leave his wife/girlfriend to fend for herself. He went on to state that if she does not run, well...those are the breaks.
He is trying to find someone to tell him he is justified in running away and leaving his girlfriend/future wife to her fate.

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How very....sad...for him. And anyone with him.

BretJ said:

Actually, it is not instinctive in Capster. This poll came about because of Cap getting raked over the coals for stating he would run away if confronted by an assailant and leave his wife/girlfriend to fend for herself. He went on to state that if she does not run, well...those are the breaks.
He is trying to find someone to tell him he is justified in running away and leaving his girlfriend/future wife to her fate.

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He didn't state that at all.

BretJ said:

Actually, it is not instinctive in Capster. This poll came about because of Cap getting raked over the coals for stating he would run away if confronted by an assailant and leave his wife/girlfriend to fend for herself. He went on to state that if she does not run, well...those are the breaks.
He is trying to find someone to tell him he is justified in running away and leaving his girlfriend/future wife to her fate.

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Here are all of his posts in this thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/search.php?searchid=2308789

Please copy/paste the one that says anything close to what you allege.

Capster78 said:

No... I think if society calls a man who does not stand between a bullet and his wife a coward and basically castrates him in the public media.. Women should be held to that same standard even if the person needing help is a man.

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You castrated yourself.

Capster78 said:

If my wife is dumb enough to just stand there and get attacked.. then sorry, nothing I can do about that.

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Manc Skipper said:

It's interesting that although the choice was given in the OP, everyone assumed the burglar's male.

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Forcible female on male rape is hardly common.

joko104 said:

He didn't state that at all.

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Bull**** he didn't.

Capster78 said:

Im sure she would too. She would rather me be alive I would hope. If she wants me to get myself killed in order to attempt to save her some physical harm, then she does not love me at all.

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Capster78 said:

If my wife is dumb enough to just stand there and get attacked.. then sorry, nothing I can do about that.

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Capster78 said:

Important part of your post is "LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES". Obviously, if I feel I can safely attack an attacker without getting myself or my loved one killed, I will do it. But if the attacker is holding a gun and telling me they are going to rape my wife and if I try to do anything he will kill me.. Then my wife is getting raped.. sorry. If she would rather have me dead then her get raped and we both survive... then she can divorce me all she wants.

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SMTA said:

Bull**** he didn't.

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The only one I see a problem with is the middle one because it doesn't make any sense.

I guess a lot of men think their wife and their children would be far better off without him. How knows? They could be right about that.

joko104 said:

The only one I see a problem with is the middle one because it doesn't make any sense.

I guess a lot of men think their wife and their children would be far better off without him. How knows? They could be right about that.

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You missed the entire point, based on that comment.

Cripe.

Capster78 said:

If someone broke into her house and held her at gunpoint tell her he/she is going to rape her husband or her kids?

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If I was home and the intruder was threatening to rape me... she'd grin at him and tell him to go ahead and try.
If I wasn't home and it was the kids who were threatened... she'd grin at him and tell him to go ahead and try.

if a perp breaks into my house, he had better hope the wife isn't home and he has only me to face... the intruders odds of surviving the ordeal increase dramatically if she isn't involved.

Capster78 said:

If someone broke into her house and held her at gunpoint tell her he/she is going to rape her husband or her kids?

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First of all, this statement is barely legible. I hate to be the "grammar Nazi," but it's ONE sentence dude!!!

To answer the question, I would do whatever I could of course.

MaggieD said:

The reality is that once an intruder has complete control of your very young children? He has control of you. If the intruder intends to do you or your children harm? If he sees you and knows you know he has your children? IMO, you're screwed. Rather like the Kobayashi Maru.

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true, so she should study everything about the rapist so she can then track him down and kill him



Slowly

TurtleDude said:

true, so she should study everything about the rapist so she can then track him down and kill him

Slowly

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Curious how usually when I talk about "jungle" law or retribution, I read furious reasons why a person should not take the law into his own hands. But now and then that seems to go out the window.

MaggieD said:

Here are all of his posts in this thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/search.php?searchid=2308789

Please copy/paste the one that says anything close to what you allege.

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This may take a bit. Best to read the posts #73 - #256. I had to apologize towards the end because we had backed him into a corner but here you go.

Start here- http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-c...e-why-important-get-guns-under-control-8.html

"If they are going to take those things, they will shoot you if you have a gun or not. I would rather them take my car, my wife or my "ass" then be dead."

"Take it as you like.. But if a guy comes running from 400 yards away with a knife or a gun and my wife just stands there staring at the guy... well.. that's pretty dumb..

Or if someone is breaking into my house at night.. all my alarms go off.. he tries to break thru my metal door.. finds out he cant after a minute or two and starts looking for windows to break into.. after a minute or two of that.. gets into the house.. and finds the room we are in after a minute or so... and tries breaking the solid oak door in..which would take a few minutes... and my wife is just standing there......"

"If my wife is dumb enough to just stand there and get attacked.. then sorry, nothing I can do about that."

"Id rather be a coward then dead. My wife will heal and my "ass" will heal. People who's pride is worth more than their life are in my opinion, moronic cavemen."

He kind of redeems himself with this - "Im not going to jump out of bed then out the window.. im going to grab her ass and throw her out the window if I have to and we will both run to safety."

But then goes on a different tangent with these in response to a post in which someone states that they had helped a friend who worked at a bar - "Why would she want to work at a bar where she could be physically assaulted every night. Sorry, there are plenty of jobs and I have always thought bartending was a terrible job for a woman who at all cares about their personal safety. Sorry, I would not associate with a bar maid, ever date one or ever marry one. They come with to much trouble. If you want to get shot for one of them, that's on you."

"If someone handed you a pitch fork and promised you would find a 5 carrot diamond at the end of a nearly collapsing mine, would you go for it knowing you would likely be buried alive and killed.

Then why would any woman want to work at a bar full of drunk horny dudes.. especially in an area where "thugs" are expected to be a part of the areas demographic. I have never understood that. It seems pretty ignorant to put yourself at that kind of risk for such little money.. or for any amount of money really."

In all honesty, in fairness to Capster one would have to follow the thread from post #73 to #256 for full context.

MaggieD said:

The reality is that once an intruder has complete control of your very young children? He has control of you. If the intruder intends to do you or your children harm? If he sees you and knows you know he has your children? IMO, you're screwed. Rather like the Kobayashi Maru.

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But like the Kobayashi Maru, if one works outside the parameters of the problem, it is winnable....as in, "Holy sh*t! I can't believe the b**ch shot me! She is not supposed to fight back..."

Capster78 said:

If someone broke into her house and held her at gunpoint tell her he/she is going to rape her husband or her kids?

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In Soviet Russia, wife rapes you

Thrilla said:

If I was home and the intruder was threatening to rape me... she'd grin at him and tell him to go ahead and try.
If I wasn't home and it was the kids who were threatened... she'd grin at him and tell him to go ahead and try.

if a perp breaks into my house, he had better hope the wife isn't home and he has only me to face... the intruders odds of surviving the ordeal increase dramatically if she isn't involved.

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Hmmmmm.....sounds suspiciously like my wife...what does you wife look like?

Thrilla said:

If I was home and the intruder was threatening to rape me... she'd grin at him and tell him to go ahead and try.
If I wasn't home and it was the kids who were threatened... she'd grin at him and tell him to go ahead and try.

if a perp breaks into my house, he had better hope the wife isn't home and he has only me to face... the intruders odds of surviving the ordeal increase dramatically if she isn't involved.

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I've seen your wife. She's a beautiful woman who looks like she wouldn't be afraid to break a nail, to whoop a little ass.

This is stupid. How can a woman rape a man?

Oh, dude. You made this post to the wrong person. :lol:

Because I happen to know exactly where you got all of this, and it ain't from your own head.

You literally sound like an MRA shill, because I have read what feels like nearly these exact words from the loudest screaming heads over on that corner of the internet.

Here's a couple examples I found on the fly.

On The "Sexism" of the IT Industry(or why gender disparity isn't necessarily sexism) : MensRights
Institutions, Women and WW3: Coal mines, fisherwomen and construction

You're still not worth the time for a serious deconstruction, but since I have links for a couple of these on-hand, I'll just blow up a couple of your points as convenience allows.

Capster78 said:

I agree with much of the equal rights movement, but not so much with feminism. I am completely on board with equal rights, but it has to be applied equally. If men are being told to give up their traditional role then women should also be moving in that direction as well. You simply cant pick and choose, which seems to be happening in our society, and men simply are silent on it. Any men who do speak up are belittled not only by the females, but their male enablers. Males that think they need to defend the female. Which is funny because these same females who sick their male friends on men that do speak up will argue with you until you are blue in the face that they don't need a man to protect her, while at the same time, sicking all her male friends on you when the argument does not go her way.

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What you just said is that you're a feminist, but you just don't understand what feminism is.

Men are not belittled for speaking up. Men -- and women -- are belittled for speaking ignorantly. I'm as likely to belittle a woman for telling me why I should spell it "wymyn" as I am to belittle a man for telling me it's all a big female plot, and most people are. If you're being belittled as a matter of course, I don't think it's because you're a man.

I don't see women lobbying for the right to work in coal mines

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That's because you didn't bother to look.

WIM: Women in Mining International Portal
Women's Mining Coalition

I don't see women lobbying for the right to be 50% of the soldiers dieing on the front lines

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Well, they have to start with having combat roles, don't they. The biggest roadblock to this is men.

And, by the way, women do fight for that.
WOMEN IN COMBAT | Service Women's Action Network (SWAN)

Equal rights!! Which also means equal responsibility. If you live in this country and enjoy all the perks that comes with being an american citizen, you should at least share the expectation to go off and fight for it. We don't see this though, women do not see it as a duty to fight in war. You will never see women lining up outside a recruiters office to sign up for infantry duty in the Army.

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Apparently you're wrong. Although personally, I think the draft registry should be outlawed entirely for men and women both.

You also won't see women lining up to build our countries infrastructure (roads, bridges, ect ect).

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Once again, you appear to be a lazy researcher.

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AWCWA

You dont see women lining up to provide essencial services such as car mechanics, or machine operators, ship yard builders / welders.

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Hmm, lazy, or just trying to confirm your own belief by living in a bubble?

AWAM Home
Female Mechanics Calendar Project
All African (Self Help) Bazaar: THE LADY MECHANIC INITIATIVE WORKSHOP: Move Over Guys!

I spent no more than 10 minutes debunking the majority of the crap you spouted in this post.

If you want women to take these jobs more often, then I suggest you get behind the dozen or so projects and organizations I just listed rather than whining that they don't exist, when they evidently do.