View Poll Results: What would you expect a woman to do in this situation?

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  • Get a description, stay calm, dont make sudden movements, call the cops later..

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  • Throw herself at the gunman and fight for her loved ones, because not doing so would be cowardice.

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  • Other, explain.

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    Re: What would you expect a woman to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The reality is that once an intruder has complete control of your very young children? He has control of you. If the intruder intends to do you or your children harm? If he sees you and knows you know he has your children? IMO, you're screwed. Rather like the Kobayashi Maru.
    So very true. Cannot remember the asshats up in Washington or Oregon that kidnapped a family that did not fight back....

    Took them to their "bunker in the woods. Tortured and killed dad in front of wife and kids. Killed kids in front of mother. Raped, tortured, killed mother.

    They taped the whole thing as a souvenir.

    Maybe if mom and dad had been more compliant, these *not a word strong enough* would have just slapped everyone around a bit...
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    Re: What would you expect a woman to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I agree completely! But society feels that men should bear this burden, not women.
    So if the mother/woman is the only one around she should do nothing? In the scenario there was no mention of a man being present aside from him being raped and none of the possible answers had to do with letting the man take care of things. Regardless, I think as loved ones each has a responsibility to protect the other.
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    Re: What would you expect a woman to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    feminism doesnt mean the rejection of physical and psychological differences between women and men .

    if you are physically stronger ,you dont violate any feminist rule by protecting your family.......

    equality exists only in the legal arena

    in fact we complement each other . ..........
    So your quite fine with men bearing the brunt of the risk to keep society going?

    If it were black people bearing the brunt of the risk to keep our society health, would that not be racist?
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    Re: What would you expect a woman to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    So your quite fine with men bearing the brunt of the risk to keep society going?

    If it were black people bearing the brunt of the risk to keep our society health, would that not be racist?
    l believe you would send your wife to fight against the enemy in case of a war.......

    you would only watch...
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    Re: What would you expect a woman to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So if the mother/woman is the only one around she should do nothing? In the scenario there was no mention of a man being present aside from him being raped and none of the possible answers had to do with letting the man take care of things. Regardless, I think as loved ones each has a responsibility to protect the other.
    No... I think if society calls a man who does not stand between a bullet and his wife a coward and basically castrates him in the public media.. Women should be held to that same standard even if the person needing help is a man.
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    Re: What would you expect a woman to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    l believe you would send your wife to fight against the enemy in case of a war.......
    If my wife wanted to join the army and fight for our country, I would gladly support her and I would be proud of her!
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    Re: What would you expect a woman to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    If my wife wanted to join the army and fight for our country, I would gladly support her and I would be proud of her!
    thats not the point here

    l would save my country too

    but you wouldnt do anything , your wife would have to do it ..........
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    Re: What would you expect a woman to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Exactly. Like you I learned, the hard way, that this **** really happens and happens more often than most people want to believe.

    That's why I made up my mind a long time ago... nobody is tying me up or taking my kids off with them. They can have my wallet, my car keys, I don't care... but the moment they try to leave with the kids or start tying people up, someone is going to die. If it is me I'll try to take them with me.
    I qualified my answer with everything changes if in the OP senario I am to be tied up. The same does apply to being taken off.

    MANY times we ground into our teenage daughter to never, ever, ever go - be stabbed, be shot then and there rather than be taken off. If he'll stab or shot you then, he'll do it when you are off in nowhere too - and do terrible things happen first - and then no one to possible save you or get you to the hospital. If some man car jacks her with her still in it, floor it and run straight into a heavy pole, wall or parked car. DO NOT go off with an attacker - ever. No exceptions - ever.

    The reality? Sometimes there is NO winning option. And sometimes the only option is bizarre in terms of at least hoping to minimize or attract others. For example, in such a senario it make be more "life saving" to throw yourself thru a window - shot and killed as you go out it - to maybe gain attention of others in the neighborhood or area.

    Unfortunately, people do not have mental telepathy and tend to not instinctly take a collection action under the premise that at least then some of us live. School shootings tend to be that way, if not all mass shootings. Instances of 1 man with a knife raping and then killing all 5 women, when probably at least 2 or 3 would have lived if they all rushed him. In the husband/wife senario of the OP, if both rushed him there would be a good chance 1 or both would live - maybe shot up - and if not virtually no chance that either would live.

    ALL cops HAVE to rely that people tend NOT to join forces in such a situation. Otherwise 1 cop could never actually control 5 people. But they will rarely act as a collective. Unfortunately, neither do victims.

    Finally, many, many people have never experienced full, limited violent confrontations (fights or assault) in which there are NO rules and the singular fixation is on hurting the other person. Most people do not grasp how truly brutal, sadistic and violent some men will be. You would rather die quickly than be captured alive by some of such men - because you're going to die anyway as a certainty. If you got a 1 in a million chance, take it. Take it even if you have no chance at all.

    There are few situations where a person isn't actually surrounded by potential weapons - and it never crosses victim's mind because in a real violence situation they freeze up and reacte to actions than to be pro-active aggressively.
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    Re: What would you expect a woman to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    thats not the point here

    l would save my country too

    but you wouldnt do anything , your wife would have to do it ..........
    Ouch, that must have hurt. I'll protect you M...
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    Re: What would you expect a woman to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    It's easy to huff and puff about what you would do, but when it comes down to it, you don't know until it's happening.

    Fear for the safety of loved ones, truly loved ones, will drive any person male or female, to defend even to the point of disregard for their own safety.
    Rational, logical thinking doesn't neccessarily come into play, it is an instinct ingrained into the fiber of our beings.

    It has become dulled through the years for many people, relying on others to provide the protection, or disconnecting from their purpose of protecting the family unit. Letting it happen to others as long as it's not happening to them.

    How sad our society has become when we rely on others to do what we ourselves should be doing.
    Actually, it is not instinctive in Capster. This poll came about because of Cap getting raked over the coals for stating he would run away if confronted by an assailant and leave his wife/girlfriend to fend for herself. He went on to state that if she does not run, well...those are the breaks.
    He is trying to find someone to tell him he is justified in running away and leaving his girlfriend/future wife to her fate.
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