Egads... I'm going to try my best with this, but you did quite a hack job with the quotes and it's hard to follow you.
But even if I hadn't so what? Those organizations objectively exist, don't they?
Of course they do. I've spent quite a lot of time doing it myself, as a feminist. Feminism should be imminently concerned with the ever-changing metrics of power between the genders.Does it matter. Do you not think men have the right to speak up about things they are not happy about? Or are they just a bunch of screaming heads. I think by the above comment I can already conclude that the only concerns that matter are the concerns of women. Men are just screaming heads. Without even knowing it, you have already proven my point by making the above comment.
But what you're doing is not "expressing a concern." You are making baseless assertions using no real information.
I didn't say men are screaming heads. I said the kind of MRA douchebags you're getting your information from are screaming heads. Some MRA's are women.
There's a difference between a man and an MRA. Not all rectangles are squares, and all that.
And if you had done some research on some of the egregious sexual offenses female miners have faced, you would know why.nearly 2 percent of coal miners are women.
That is why women's miners advocacy groups exist. They want to encourage women into the field by reducing the likelihood that they will be treated badly.
So proving your wrong a dozen times over with the objective existence of the organizations you said don't exist is a facade? Ok, then.I dont see any deconstruction, just facades...
Obviously not. I'm a feminist. A lot of men here are feminists. A lot of us spend a lot of time talking about some of the inequalities that exist on the side of men.I understand exactly what feminism is... Modern feminism has turned against all its founding principles. It started out as a fight for equality. Once it went from fighting for equality, to fighting for the interest of women alone, it was no longer fighting for equality. It is fighting for womens interestes, like a company would fight for its interests by lobying congress. And in business, there is no such thing as equality.
But here's the thing: the majority of those inequalities are caused by patriarchy. See my first post to you about "women and children first" being a principle of patriarchy, due to the idea that women are helpless and stupid. This has the affect of devaluing the lives of men.
I won't deny there are some women who are reluctant to give up some privileges patriarchy affords them. But most of these women are "conservative" and don't consider themselves feminists.
There are feminists who are reluctant as well, and they are hypocrites. You won't get any argument from me about that.
I won't debate this happens, and if you'd read my post more carefully, you'd see that I never did.No, when women speak up they are patted on the back.
When men speak up, they are belittled and heckled. You can see this in the media every day. When a man makes a controversial comment, right or wrong, he is raked over the coals in the media.
When a woman makes a controversial statment about a man, she is applauded.
It's the rule of trends. If you only get heckled once in a while, chances are you might be saying something society isn't ready for. And in that case, you might be right.
But if it's happening all the time, chances are you're saying something stupid.
We do see examples of women getting away with violent rhetoric against men, yes, that's true. I, for one, make a point of calling that out consistently, as do many other feminists of either sex.
But when a man gets heckled for something like being abused or a survivor of rape, who is heckling him? Overwhelmingly, it's other men.
See above.So you don't believe it ever happens?
Ok. So whose fault is it that the standards are what they are? Not the woman's.We will see.. now that combat roles are opened up for women.. we will see if the percentage improves. However, right now women make up about 20% of the military. Most of which serve in the Navy and Air force. And in both services... the standards for a woman to qualify are much lower than for a male.
I am not saying whether the standards should be higher or lower, but you can't say women are "unwilling" when the standards are such that they often don't qualify.
Yup. See my point about female coal miners.And only 3 percent of women work in construction.... hmmm...
Mm-hmm. As I understand it, there might actually be a perceptual reason for this. Women tend to be good spacial organizers and night seers (which is why they make fantastic spies), but men tend to have the advantage with depth perception (which is why they make up the majority of pilots).And women make up about 4% of all pilots........
You said women don't fight for these things. I proved you wrong beyond any shadow of doubt.You did not debunk anything I said. In fact you did me a service and provided many organizations that are out there to more than support women who want to get into these professions but women make up less than 5% of these professions.
And if you'd read a bit about this, you would see why women are less prevalent in these fields, and it's not necessarily because they don't want to participate. It's because of the way men treat them, in most cases.
Actually, it's that men tend to not go to the doctor. It's another one of those patriarchal "men don't need help" things.Yet... women get 1000% more funding for cancer than men do... hmmm.. seems like women are picking and choosing to me...
I know a couple of therapists who tell me that they always take male depression patients a lot more seriously, because men won't come in for help until they're 2 seconds away from killing themselves. Women tend to come in much sooner, before a crisis point has been reached.
In fact, the problem of men refusing to see a doctor is so bad that women have to advocate FOR THEM.
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This is incredibly unfortunate. We basically emotionally beat boys until they are unable to admit any sign of weakness.
But if you want to find the source of that, feminism isn't it. After all, in traditionalist families, mommies are supposed to be "the nice parent," while daddies are "the bad cop."
In summary, what you've done here is two things, both of which are fallacious on their face.
1. Taken a fringe of feminism and applied it to hundreds of millions of male and female feminists worldwide.
2. Misattributed the source of the problems to feminism when, in fact, the majority of them come from left-overs of patriarchy interacting with modern society.