for men - What would you do ?

Capster78 said:

That is a cops job, just as it is a soldiers job to kill the enemy. If it were someone I loved, I would hope they would rather deal with being raped and both of us live thru it, then me dieing trying to protect them.

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It's a lot more than just a job. The "princely salary" hardly covers running straight into probable gunfire for the sake of a woman you'd never seen 5 seconds before... which I've done. It's a calling, a willingness to put yourself in harm's way to protect the innocent.

But it is even more than that... it wasn't too long ago that it was considered a duty every man should fulfill towards his loved ones, especially those less able to defend themselves.

You'd seriously let a man rape your little daughter rather than risk a bullet to try to save her? Or your mother?


I can't even talk to you about this anymore. I am too disgusted. I don't want to hear anything you have to say on the topics of crime, self-protection, or anything of the kind anymore, you have lost all credibility with this utterly self-centered misogynistic crap.



Nothing is worth dying for, huh? The Decline and Fall of the West, right here in little black letters.... gah. :doh

Capster78 said:

That is a cops job, just as it is a soldiers job to kill the enemy. If it were someone I loved, I would hope they would rather deal with being raped and both of us live thru it, then me dieing trying to protect them.

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Capster78 doing what he does best.....FULL RETREAT!

Lightning said:

That s**t would piss me the hell off. I'd go Punisher on their a*ses, and gun every single one of them down....


Ok maybe I wouldn't, but may God help the bastard if he ever crosses my path.

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The guy got his. One of her other male friends had a nice baseball bat party on the guy, broke him up bad.

DiAnna said:

Only when he refers to women as "vaginas" rather than people.

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Because that is exactly how he is treating her if he believes her life is more valuable than his. Then what makes a woman's life more valuable then, that we would expect a man to jump in an get himself killed trying to save a woman from rape?

You have an odd, and thankfully rare, definition as to how "men" should act. Very few individuals would actually define a man's role as handing over his wife... or child, I suppose... to be brutalized in order to save his own life.

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And here is that entitlement mentality again... Expecting a man to get himself killed to protect her.. Because if he does not, he is handing his wife over to the rapist. Perfect example of a woman who is completely blind to her own hypocrisy as most women are in the states. I assume you would not think a woman was handing over her husband or her kids to a rapist if the rapist was holding her at gunpoint while raping them. Does this only work one way? Are you going to just come out and admit it or am i going to have to argue your hypocrisy out of you?

So, you presume that if vaginas... excuse me, female humans... want to be treated like an equal to your definition of a man, you would expect her to hand you over to be raped, gang-raped and potentially killed if it gave her a better chance of not being hurt. Dude. That's messed up.

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Do you expect a woman to attack a gunmen raping her husband or her children. And would you call a woman who does not, a coward?

And I am willing to bet my paycheck that if we were to reverse roles, most women would not hesitate to take a bullet trying to save her husband from being brutalized... and those cowardly few who stood there wringing their hands, weeping "do what you want to him, just don't hurt me" would be treated with the same contempt as the cowardly male doing the same.

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If you honestly hold this view equally between the sexes, then that's wonderful. But I am willing to bet my paycheck that the vast majority of the American public / American Women would not agree with you. If the majority of women still think men should pay for a date, you think they think women should step in and take a bullet to save her husband?

LaMidRighter said:

The guy got his. One of her other male friends had a nice baseball bat party on the guy, broke him up bad.

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HELL YEAH!!! I would've shoved the bat up his a** too, just to give him a taste of his own medicine!

Capster78 said:

So when a man acts like a man in the workplace and takes that role of power and responsibility.... he is a chauvinistic neanderthal oppressing women...

But when he takes that same role of power and responsibility in a situation as mentioned in this thread... he is a.... a man just doing what he should be doing???

You women got to get your stuff strait. Either you want us to act like men or you don't. You can't pick and choose when you want to be treated like an equal, and when you want to be treated like a woman.

Because I am willing to put my paycheck on if we were to reverse the rolls. A woman would not be expected to take a bullet for a man in the same situation.

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A man in the workplace is an equal and he doesn't assume the role of power and responsibility by holding women down, treating them as less than a man and denigrating them. That is chauvinism and oppressing women. Please get it straight.

A real man, doesn't act like this, treating women as only a vagina. In a relationship, they are equals as well, committed to each others' well being and safety, so hand over your paycheck, because I don't plan to be standing by wringing my hands, "assault him, just don't shoot me". I don't think I could just stand there and watch anyone I care about get hurt to save myself regardless of the fact I'm a woman.

EDIT: I don't think I could stand by and watch anyone being harmed and not doing something to stop it.

TurtleDude said:

a good Turkish handgun can make things real equal

here is one of your country's better efforts

its a turkish copy of the famed CZ 75. its well made. I don't own one because I have five CZs and the Armalite magazines don't work in the CZs so there is no reason to buy one

but you might-


ARMALITE PISTOLS

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l wasnt aware of it,turtle

l will send you a package of guns full of CZ75

:lol:

Goshin said:

It's a lot more than just a job. The "princely salary" hardly covers running straight into probable gunfire for the sake of a woman you'd never seen 5 seconds before... which I've done. It's a calling, a willingness to put yourself in harm's way to protect the innocent.

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So your disposable? And a woman's life is worth more than yours? If your willing to just come out and say yes, then my point has been made. Men are slowly becoming 2nd class citizens directly because of this thinking. There was a reason men risked their lives back in the early parts of our humanity. Doing so meant you got women, power, and influence amoungst your peers. Now, you are expected to be killed for a woman for nothing at all. Does this not make you disposable and a slave?

But it is even more than that... it wasn't too long ago that it was considered a duty every man should fulfill towards his loved ones, especially those less able to defend themselves.

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Why? Again, a slave to a female. A bullet catcher, a protector, a dog on a leash in a leaky dog house..

You'd seriously let a man rape your little daughter rather than risk a bullet to try to save her? Or your mother?

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I would not let them, but I would have very little choice if they had a gun pointed at me. I would hope my loved one care enough about me to understand that there is nothing I could do but be killed.

I can't even talk to you about this anymore. I am too disgusted. I don't want to hear anything you have to say on the topics of crime, self-protection, or anything of the kind anymore, you have lost all credibility with this utterly self-centered misogynistic crap.

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Fine with me, continue being a slave.. I am sure she will fill your water bowl up and throw you a bone ever once in awhile in order to protect the house and be her bullet catcher. And once your dead.. all her friends will tell her she cant live in the past and must move on. Then she can marry the next sucker that will catch bullets for her.



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I would be armed, the second he threatened to rape my wife and use deadly force against me I would kill him, no hesitation.

If someone is going to rape my wife and is threatening to kill me why should I trust him in regards to his word that he is going to rape her and leave us both alive? I wouldn't take his word for it and I would assume that his intent is to rape and kill and act accordingly.

Capster78 said:

Because that is exactly how he is treating her if he believes her life is more valuable than his. Then what makes a woman's life more valuable then, that we would expect a man to jump in an get himself killed trying to save a woman from rape?


And here is that entitlement mentality again... Expecting a man to get himself killed to protect her.. Because if he does not, he is handing his wife over to the rapist. Perfect example of a woman who is completely blind to her own hypocrisy as most women are in the states. I assume you would not think a woman was handing over her husband or her kids to a rapist if the rapist was holding her at gunpoint while raping them. Does this only work one way? Are you going to just come out and admit it or am i going to have to argue your hypocrisy out of you?



Do you expect a woman to attack a gunmen raping her husband or her children. And would you call a woman who does not, a coward?





If you honestly hold this view equally between the sexes, then that's wonderful. But I am willing to bet my paycheck that the vast majority of the American public / American Women would not agree with you. If the majority of women still think men should pay for a date, you think they think women should step in and take a bullet to save her husband?

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I don't want your ****ing paycheck. I don't care if your world view is so narcissistic that you cannot think of a single human being on the planet you would be willing to risk death for. I don't care that your view of women is so openly contemptuous that you refer to them as "vaginas", and rail about the "entitlement mentality" of women who should be willing to be tortured and brutalized because you are the one with the "entitlement mentality"... you feel entitled to protect yourself at the expense of every other human being on the planet.

And you call me a ****ing hypocrite???

Dude. I am so done with you. If I read one more word of how you view females and the sacrifices you expect them to make to save you I really will puke on my keyboard.

Over and out.

Gina said:

A man in the workplace is an equal and he doesn't assume the role of power and responsibility by holding women down, treating them as less than a man and denigrating them. That is chauvinism and oppressing women. Please get it straight.

A real man, doesn't act like this, treating women as only a vagina. In a relationship, they are equals as well, committed to each others' well being and safety, so hand over your paycheck, because I don't plan to be standing by wringing my hands, "assault him, just don't shoot me". I don't think I could just stand there and watch anyone I care about get hurt to save myself regardless of the fact I'm a woman.

EDIT: I don't think I could stand by and watch anyone being harmed and not doing something to stop it.

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That's rare. When I ask women similar questions they always expect men to do the "manly" think and be the protector while she hides behind him.

Capster78 said:

Because that is exactly how he is treating her if he believes her life is more valuable than his. Then what makes a woman's life more valuable then, that we would expect a man to jump in an get himself killed trying to save a woman from rape?


And here is that entitlement mentality again... Expecting a man to get himself killed to protect her.. Because if he does not, he is handing his wife over to the rapist. Perfect example of a woman who is completely blind to her own hypocrisy as most women are in the states. I assume you would not think a woman was handing over her husband or her kids to a rapist if the rapist was holding her at gunpoint while raping them. Does this only work one way? Are you going to just come out and admit it or am i going to have to argue your hypocrisy out of you?



Do you expect a woman to attack a gunmen raping her husband or her children. And would you call a woman who does not, a coward?





If you honestly hold this view equally between the sexes, then that's wonderful. But I am willing to bet my paycheck that the vast majority of the American public / American Women would not agree with you. If the majority of women still think men should pay for a date, you think they think women should step in and take a bullet to save her husband?

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women are not as strong as men or stronger than men :2brickwal

however many women would do more than you can do

Sarcogito said:

Yeah, but things change when your loved ones are around. I have also been held up twice. Once in DC where I fought back and ended up chasing the guy away. I was alone. The other time was in Cambodia. The guy had a knife and I am confident I could have taken him. But my wife and young son were with me. I gave him my wallet.

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Everyone is free to make their own choice

Capster78 said:

So your disposable? And a woman's life is worth more than yours? If your willing to just come out and say yes, then my point has been made. Men are slowly becoming 2nd class citizens directly because of this thinking. There was a reason men risked their lives back in the early parts of our humanity. Doing so meant you got women, power, and influence amoungst your peers. Now, you are expected to be killed for a woman for nothing at all. Does this not make you disposable and a slave?



Why? Again, a slave to a female. A bullet catcher, a protector, a dog on a leash in a leaky dog house..



I would not let them, but I would have very little choice if they had a gun pointed at me. I would hope my loved one care enough about me to understand that there is nothing I could do but be killed.




Fine with me, continue being a slave.. I am sure she will fill your water bowl up and throw you a bone ever once in awhile in order to protect the house and be her bullet catcher. And once your dead.. all her friends will tell her she cant live in the past and must move on. Then she can marry the next sucker that will catch bullets for her.



Nothing is worth dying for, huh? The Decline and Fall of the West, right here in little black letters.... gah. :doh

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Yet again, you fail to understand that I'm not simply talking about a man/woman thing, but about a lot more than that... about how there are things worth dying for, and if the people you love most in the world (whether male or female) are not among those things, you've sacrificed your humanity on the altar of selfishness. There's a word for that.

DiAnna said:

I don't want your ****ing paycheck. I don't care if your world view is so narcissistic that you cannot think of a single human being on the planet you would be willing to risk death for. I don't care that your view of women is so openly contemptuous that you refer to them as "vaginas", and rail about the "entitlement mentality" of women who should be willing to be tortured and brutalized because you are the one with the "entitlement mentality"... you feel entitled to protect yourself at the expense of every other human being on the planet.

And you call me a ****ing hypocrite???

Dude. I am so done with you. If I read one more word of how you view females and the sacrifices you expect them to make to save you I really will puke on my keyboard.

Over and out.

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Hurts when it comes the other direction huh? Yet no one gets offended when men are called dicks, pigs, belittled in public. But on noooo.. Call a woman a vagina and the gloves are off.

You want to see equality in the US.. here you go....



Tell me most American women do not personify the view I lay out in my posts after watching this...

Capster78 said:

Hurts when it comes the other direction huh? Yet no one gets offended when men are called dicks, pigs, belittled in public. But on noooo.. Call a woman a vagina and the gloves are off.

You want to see equality in the US.. here you go....



Tell me most American women do not personify the view I lay out in my posts after watching this...

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Deflection.

Not surprising, either. If I'd humiliated, dishonored and discredited myself as badly in this thread as you have, I'd try to change the subject too.

Goshin said:

Deflection.

Not surprising, either. If I'd humiliated, dishonored and discredited myself as badly in this thread as you have, I'd try to change the subject too.

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So if a woman were to stand up for her rights.. she would be humiliating, dishonoring and discrediting herself?

Capster78 said:

So if a woman were to stand up for her rights.. she would be humiliating, dishonoring and discrediting herself?

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More deflection, but this one didn't even make sense. You really ought to quit digging that hole even deeper.

Goshin said:

More deflection, but this one didn't even make sense. You really ought to quit digging that hole even deeper.

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Well, I have to disagree. Sorry, I am not going to be enslaved into a society where a womans life is worth more than a mans. I would think exactly the same way if someone were to tell me a woman should be expected to step in and get herself killed protecting a man. A Womans life is just as valuable as a Mans life.

To stay within actual reality - a bizarre thing to do on a forum I suppose - I'm going to stick with not being a "knuckle-dragging neaderthal."

I think what I'd do is say something like this. "You don't have to shoot me. Hell, I'll pay you to have sex with her. She'd love it and I got no problem with it. Never had one with any other guy."
And I am comfident my wife would immediately pick up on it, with "oh you don't have to pay. Why don't both of you jump it and we'll make a game of it."

Now, somewhere in the middle my wife and I probably would have silently and quickly mouthed "I love you," certain that it all but impossible to avoid that in the next few moments we are both going to be dead.

And I not only can say for myself, but also she would agree, the singular goal would be anyway to avoid us both being murdered. The goal is simple. It's not to look good and noble, to protect virtues and values. The goal for both of us would be a united try to stay alive.

What am I missing that other people are seeing why mine isn't the obvious and only answer?

^ BTW, we have children. I am absolutely certain that would be what they would absolutely prefer too.

Apparently, there are two types of people.

One, in that situation, whose first thought would be "it's not worth throwing my life away." And two, whose first thought would be "that animal is not going to violate my wife."

I cannot even begin to imagine what it's like inside a head which would entertain the first one.

Harshaw said:

Apparently, there are two types of people.

One, in that situation, whose first thought would be "it's not worth throwing my life away." And two, whose first thought would be "that animal is not going to violate my wife."

I cannot even begin to imagine what it's like inside a head which would entertain the first one.

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Well, Capster aside, I don't think it is necessarily wrong to not jump the guy if you think there is a high likelihood of getting your wife killed in the process. That isn’t selfish, that is trying to save your wife’s life. Sure, you may have to live with the guilt but is being guilt free worth your wife’s life?

And as Joko mentioned, some of us have children. My wife and I have no problems saying that we are the second most important people in each others’ lives. Our children come first. Taking an action that is likely to leave our children orphans would be unacceptable.

There are many variables.

Sarcogito said:

Well, Capster aside, I don't think it is necessarily wrong to not jump the guy if you think there is a high likelihood of getting your wife killed in the process. That isn’t selfish, that is trying to save your wife’s life. Sure, you may have to live with the guilt but is being guilt free worth your wife’s life?

And as Joko mentioned, some of us have children. My wife and I have no problems saying that we are the second most important people in each others’ lives. Our children come first. Taking an action that is likely to leave our children orphans would be unacceptable.

There are many variables.

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I didn't say you had to do any specific thing, or be stupid about it. But if your first thought is your own safety, and not for stopping terrible harm from coming to your wife, then something's straight up wrong with you.

Harshaw said:

Apparently, there are two types of people.

One, in that situation, whose first thought would be "it's not worth throwing my life away." And two, whose first thought would be "that animal is not going to violate my wife."

I cannot even begin to imagine what it's like inside a head which would entertain the first one.

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Because the best future you can give your wife and children is that 30 years for now, they and maybe some grandchildren would be get to stand at your gravestone on the anniversary of your murder. She can explain who the grandfather they never met and never will was. "He was a good man. It's sorry none of you got to really know your father and grandfather."

And, hopefully, she aged well and it wasn't too hard on her at first on her own.
Hopefully, there is a man standing with her that she loves as much as she did you so long, long ago.
Hpefully that man standing with her - if there is one - loves her as much as you did - and hopefully loves your children every bit as much as you did long long ago.
Hopefully, it didn't take her too long to find a complete replacement for you - if that even theoretically possible.
And mostly, hopefully that is what you wanted for her when you ended your life 3 decades prior.

My wife likes macho men far more than most women probably do and she definitedly got herself a real macho "knuckle-dragging neanderthal" too. But not THAT much of one to "throw my life away" in a pointless and suicidal ego rage likely to assure you are both murdered. After killing you he has no choice but to kill you too. Regardless of that, I gather you have not been around much actually real assaultive violence.

Are you REALLY that worthless to your wife and children? Is your ego that totally and suicidally out of control? "Earth to Major Tom...

I don't mean to insult, I really don't, and I suppose a man is supposed to say what you did. But it really wouldn't be an act of love, certainly not in her best interests, and very unlikely what she would want you to do.
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