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  • l would try everything to protect her

    32 62.75%
  • l would only care about my own life

    1 1.96%
  • l would try to protect her without risking my life

    5 9.80%
  • l wouldnt do anything but then l would kill him

    3 5.88%
  • it depends on the situation ,l cant know what to do without experiencing

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Thread: for men - What would you do ?

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    Re: for men - What would you do ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    The only way you could win in such a situation is if you have a gun or highly skilled in martial arts. That's why I said I would do something if I have a gun, but I wouldn't do anything if I didn't.

    Currently I have no gun, because it is pretty much illegal where I live and you certainly can't carry it around or use it for self defense.
    I certaily wouldn't fight if the option to leave was present, but if the choices are harm to a loved one or me I will fight.
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    Re: for men - What would you do ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, that's only what you chose to go on about. You quoted what I said when you replied to me. It was INDEED about your first thought.




    That's ridiculous. Preposterous. Juvenile. It doesn't have anything to do with "ego." It has to do with a loved one being in danger. It doesn't have anything to do with being a "hero" or trying to uphold "virtues" or anything silly like that. It has to do with protecting your own from harm.

    I guess you either have that instinct or you don't. But if you don't, then there's something wrong with you.

    And again your instinct is foolish, naive and incompetent. Is it also your instant instinct to kill yourself if you came home and learned your wife had been raped because you couldn't deal with it? Or do you need someone else to pull the trigger because you lack courage to do it yourself?

    Obviously you know NOTHING about fighting or defending someone in the face of violence against that person. All your messages really say is that your "instinct" is to kill yourself in disjointed lack of self control and irrational emotionalism. A mature fighter well recognizes that not acting and reacting on blind emotionalism is a necessity. Tactics employed in a violent confrontation should be devoid of emotional decisions.

    The noob fantasy fighter messages on this thread are comical.

    I have defended women violently, sometimes just for something said about her that seemed threatening or was too insultive - if she was within my circle. My wife particularly admired my beating up other men in general, and certainly if "for her."

    Although increasingly in my past prior to her (fortunately and that changing due to my wife coming into my life), for over a decade one aspect of my employment was hunting down men who hurt a prostitute or barfly to hurt them worse. Some successfully hid. Most didn't for long. On no occasion did that involve my charging a gun. That's just being exorbitantly stupid, reckless and suicidal, accomplishing nothing but your death and - accordingly also total failure on your part.

    You did not win if you die. You did not retaliation if you die. You did not defend if you die. Rather, you were a total failure and loser. Rather obvious, isn't it?

    You're saying you'd die charging the gun is your declaring you'd do absolutely nothing for your wife at all except runaway from it all in your death. Not for a second do I believe you would actually do so. I do not believe one man on this forum would. But if he did, he would have not only just have committed suicide, but betrayed her as much as he possibly could. To claim you would is just to claim you are an irrational and emotional loser when it comes to confrontations - who actually would do exactly nothing for your wife if facing an armed rapist.

    If someone is holding you off with a gun, you retreat and take him later. Dying for the sake of dying would be pointless suicide.
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    Re: for men - What would you do ?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    And again your instinct is foolish, naive and incompetent. Is it also your instant instinct to kill yourself if you came home and learned your wife had been raped because you couldn't deal with it? Or do you need someone else to pull the trigger because you lack courage to do it yourself?

    Obviously you know NOTHING about fighting or defending someone in the face of violence against that person. All your messages really say is that your "instinct" is to kill yourself in disjointed lack of self control and irrational emotionalism. A mature fighter well recognizes that not acting and reacting on blind emotionalism is a necessity. Tactics employed in a violent confrontation should be devoid of emotional decisions.

    The noob fantasy fighter messages on this thread are comical.

    I have defended women violently, sometimes just for something said about her that seemed threatening or was too insultive - if she was within my circle. My wife particularly admired my beating up other men in general, and certainly if "for her."

    Although increasingly in my past prior to her (fortunately and that changing due to my wife coming into my life), for over a decade one aspect of my employment was hunting down men who hurt a prostitute or barfly to hurt them worse. Some successfully hid. Most didn't for long. On no occasion did that involve my charging a gun. That's just being exorbitantly stupid, reckless and suicidal, accomplishing nothing but your death and - accordingly also total failure on your part.

    You did not win if you die. You did not retaliation if you die. You did not defend if you die. Rather, you were a total failure and loser. Rather obvious, isn't it?

    You're saying you'd die charging the gun is your declaring you'd do absolutely nothing for your wife at all except runaway from it all in your death. Not for a second do I believe you would actually do so. I do not believe one man on this forum would. But if he did, he would have not only just have committed suicide, but betrayed her as much as he possibly could. To claim you would is just to claim you are an irrational and emotional loser when it comes to confrontations - who actually would do exactly nothing for your wife if facing an armed rapist.

    If someone is holding you off with a gun, you retreat and take him later. Dying for the sake of dying would be pointless suicide.
    This nonsense doesn't even remotely address what I said. Apparently, despite it's simplicity, it's beyond you.
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    Re: for men - What would you do ?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I certaily wouldn't fight if the option to leave was present, but if the choices are harm to a loved one or me I will fight.
    What happened to your calling Capster a coward? Suddenly your view has changed and you'd run away if you could.

    But that is the rational decision. That also is the best chance for your wife to live - and your only chance to later obtain vengence - which I do believe in for such a circumstance.

    The decision of the poll is not whether you'd rather you be harmed than a loved one. That is an entirely different question.

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    Re: for men - What would you do ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This nonsense doesn't even remotely address what I said. Apparently, despite it's simplicity, it's beyond you.

    It exactly addresses what you said. You stated you would respond in an instance emotional outburst without thinking it thru. And getting yourself killed by doing so.

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    Re: for men - What would you do ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    if a man with a gun wanted to rape your wife and threatened to kill you if you attempt to attack him to protect yourself and your wife ,what would your reaction be ?

    as a woman , if l really believe he deserves my devotion , l would do everything to protect him.

    so he must do the same thing ,l believe.
    Since my wife left....I'd say go ahead!

    Now if I were to remarry a decent person, my instinct would be to protect her. On the other hand, if he's going to kill me, then he's going to kill me and then rape her. Then I'm dead and she got raped....


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    Re: for men - What would you do ?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What happened to your calling Capster a coward? Suddenly your view has changed and you'd run away if you could.

    But that is the rational decision. That also is the best chance for your wife to live - and your only chance to later obtain vengence - which I do believe in for such a circumstance.

    The decision of the poll is not whether you'd rather you be harmed than a loved one. That is an entirely different question.
    Capster is a coward. The only time I would back down is if it were required, but you have misunderstood what I've said. I would happily die in place of a loved one getting hurt, and would die on my feet, not run away and tell the robber "take what you want, even my wife".
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    Re: for men - What would you do ?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If you came after she had been raped, would you still commit suicide unable to handle having a wife who had been sexually assaulted? Or could you only commit suicide if someone else pulls the trigger?

    The "tough guys" on this forum essentially declaring "I'd kill myself if a man was going to rape my wife" is possibly the most absurd collection of messages I've seen on the forum, and that's pretty damn absurd! And it is interesting how many women think that is exactly what he should do too.

    I'm not a "tough guy" kinda person. I just stated what I would do if the situation was in front of me. Had she already been raped...I would make sure that she went to a professional psychologist. I would go as well because I imagine it would have a profound impact on my psyche.

    I'm not going to commit suicide at all. If I'm trying to save her and fail...it would be homicide.

    The only thing I would be able to do if it happened after the fact is tell her much I love her and stand with her 100%. I wouldn't abandon her or shun her because she was raped. I would be as much of a help as I could.
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    Re: for men - What would you do ?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It exactly addresses what you said. You stated you would respond in an instance emotional outburst without thinking it thru. And getting yourself killed by doing so.
    You just proved it doesn't address what I said. This is idiotic. Buh-bye.
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    Re: for men - What would you do ?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Capster is a coward. The only time I would back down is if it were required, but you have misunderstood what I've said. I would happily die in place of a loved one getting hurt, and would die on my feet, not run away and tell the robber "take what you want, even my wife".
    I understand those are noble words, but there is a huge difference between opting to risk yourself being hurt and possibly killed, than risking a loved one hurt and possibly killed - COMPARED to dying to stop a loved one from being hurt. Of course, it depends on hurt how and how great a risk of death involved overall for the loved one versus myself.

    Although I'll avoid the absurd phrase "legitimate rape," rape is a huge spectrum of what that means - and specifically in terms of harm done and how much residual harm remains?

    Maybe not you, but my "loved ones" (which is a VERY short list) benefit from and need me for the future in numerous regards. In a few ways maybe uniquely so too. I can think of no instance where getting myself killed would then prevent my wife being raped. Rather, it would seem to assure the rapist would have to kill her, her being witness to my murder. BUT, setting that aside, my death doesn't help her. She already well knows I am entirely willing and able to be violent and hurt men for her. I would have nothing to prove up to her or to myself.

    I also am certain her foremost consideration and mine - and our children - would be focused on this thought about each and all of us: "stay alive."

    If it is a choice between breaking my arm or her's, beating the hell out me or her, shooting me or shooting her, take out me. BUT that is not the OP question as I read it. The question is would you die - knowing you will die - to prevent your wife being raped. I am 100% certain my wife would absolutely want me to not die in that situation. I know if it reversed, I absolutely would not want her to die.

    And I suspect, tables turned and this exact question put to her, her perspective would be exactly the same as mine - declaring she would prefer her hurt than me.

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