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    Re: Do Any Dems/Liberals/Progressives Support Obamas Cuts To Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The United States is not broke and doesn't have to cut anyone's benefits. The problem is that we gave all the money to the rich, and they stuck it in offshore bank accounts.
    Are you kidding me? With federal spending at 24% and only daring to ax to create federal revenue at 17% of GDP that leaves a deficit of 40%; requiring that we borrow over $3 billion per day or about $1 trillion per year. If that is not "broke" then what is?
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    Re: Do Any Dems/Liberals/Progressives Support Obamas Cuts To Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It depends on the whole package, but I am not entirely opposed to the cuts.
    Would you say the same for the same cuts proposed by a Republican?
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    Re: Do Any Dems/Liberals/Progressives Support Obamas Cuts To Social Security?

    Social Security is something people were told they would get and in many cases they paid into it and earned it. Social Security is one of the last cuts we should be making, at least to the previous generations. If they want to tell my generations or future generations that it is not going to be there so those people have a lifetime to prepare I may be more open to it, but those on SS should get what they were told they would get.
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    Re: Do Any Dems/Liberals/Progressives Support Obamas Cuts To Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The United States is not broke and doesn't have to cut anyone's benefits. The problem is that we gave all the money to the rich, and they stuck it in offshore bank accounts.
    Thats what happens when government "subsidizes" green energy. It goes in the pockets of the well connected and the business is closed.
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    Re: Do Any Dems/Liberals/Progressives Support Obamas Cuts To Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Because those on SS get paid more than those working now........

    That will not last...........people will get pissed .

    Those around me (on SS) pay $500 month rent. I can only pay $190 month working 3/4 time...........
    Same with all those working jobs today.
    You do realize that the amount retirees receive depends on what their salary was at the time of retirement, so the amount they received differs. Not everyone on SS can afford 500 dollars a month rent.
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    Re: Do Any Dems/Liberals/Progressives Support Obamas Cuts To Social Security?

    NOOOO! You cannot touch Social Security, EVER! We have PROMISED this money to ourselves!!!

    Oh, sorry, I forgot - only members of the Unthinking Left are welcome to talk.

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    Re: Do Any Dems/Liberals/Progressives Support Obamas Cuts To Social Security?

    I just think that we should privatize SS and leave a government option for those who trust the gov to deal with their retirement. I'd rather not pay into a system my entire working life only to never see it when I retire. I highly highly doubt that SS will be sustained by then.
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    Re: Do Any Dems/Liberals/Progressives Support Obamas Cuts To Social Security?

    When you say "gave all the money to the rich", who gave it away and what amount?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The United States is not broke and doesn't have to cut anyone's benefits. The problem is that we gave all the money to the rich, and they stuck it in offshore bank accounts.

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    Re: Do Any Dems/Liberals/Progressives Support Obamas Cuts To Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Social Security is something people were told they would get and in many cases they paid into it and earned it. Social Security is one of the last cuts we should be making, at least to the previous generations. If they want to tell my generations or future generations that it is not going to be there so those people have a lifetime to prepare I may be more open to it, but those on SS should get what they were told they would get.
    SS is a Ponzi scheme. If we want to wring as much out of it as possible it must be means tested. I am in favor of getting rid of it for future workers, yes. For those who are now on it or will be on it if they have other means of income then a proportion of that would have go against their SS share. It doesn't matter what was promised eighty years ago young workers should not bear the burden of the cost of the system which they will not benefit from. We can print more money to sustain those who are on SS and need it but the program must not have the bulk of the burden on workers who are generally poorer that those who are now benefiting from it.
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    Re: Do Any Dems/Liberals/Progressives Support Obamas Cuts To Social Security?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    SS is a Ponzi scheme. If we want to wring as much out of it as possible it must be means tested. I am in favor of getting rid of it for future workers, yes. For those who are now on it or will be on it if they have other means of income then a proportion of that would have go against their SS share. It doesn't matter what was promised eighty years ago young workers should not bear the burden of the cost of the system which they will not benefit from. We can print more money to sustain those who are on SS and need it but the program must not have the bulk of the burden on workers who are generally poorer that those who are now benefiting from it.
    I understand what you are saying, but previous generations paid our government that money and were promised returns in their later years. Our country has an obligation to them. I am all for reform to the SS program or dissolving it all together, but not for the people are country has an obligation to.
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