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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What "protected group" would polygamists fall under?
    The human group.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The stickiest part of the issue, as I noted earlier. That whole tax area would have to be revisited.
    We would also have to work out a limit, otherwise what is to stop someone from marrying 12, 20, 50, or 100 foreigners for money to get them citizenship? We have reports every few years of another ring of people who setup these arrangements now, particularly with military personnel, having deals set up where they marry a foreigner, pretend to be in love for say 5 years, then divorce. It costs taxpayer money to investigate these but they are done after the marriage, not before. So, sure maybe we catch them, but it still would be a huge expense to investigate them all. And we would have to investigate each foreigner. Plus, how would that work? Would it be a group marriage and the whole thing voided, or multiple marriages?

    Plus, what about military benefits? Should every spouse be allowed dependent status? Do we pay for bigger military houses for someone who wants 2 wives and 2 husbands and as many children as the grouping can get? Does family medical insurance cover the whole clan?
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We would also have to work out a limit, otherwise what is to stop someone from marrying 12, 20, 50, or 100 foreigners for money to get them citizenship? We have reports every few years of another ring of people who setup these arrangements now, particularly with military personnel, having deals set up where they marry a foreigner, pretend to be in love for say 5 years, then divorce. It costs taxpayer money to investigate these but they are done after the marriage, not before. So, sure maybe we catch them, but it still would be a huge expense to investigate them all. And we would have to investigate each foreigner. Plus, how would that work? Would it be a group marriage and the whole thing voided, or multiple marriages?

    Plus, what about military benefits? Should every spouse be allowed dependent status? Do we pay for bigger military houses for someone who wants 2 wives and 2 husbands and as many children as the grouping can get? Does family medical insurance cover the whole clan?
    Which brings up the viable alternative: Stay single and barhop every night.........................

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertas-Mors View Post
    I say yes. I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to.
    l see lots of reasons why they shouldnt .....

    the concept of freedom shouldnt be that simple and limitless.
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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Which brings up the viable alternative: Stay single and barhop every night.........................
    We're not talking about problems for the people involved in the marriages. We are talking about problems for government/society due to people who want to be involved in multiple spouse marriages for reasons of love, religion, power, tradition, money, or other reasons. Limiting everyone to one spouse may cause some issues with people marrying others to get them citizenship or military/government benefits (marriage fraud), but it is a reasonably dealt with problem, worth marriage itself and how it has been shown to benefit society, no matter the race/gender/religion combination of those who are married. Without a limit at all or even with having just more than a few spouses married to each other, the benefits awarded to spouses can easily outweigh any benefit the government/society may see from such marriages/relationships.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Which brings up the viable alternative: Stay single and barhop every night.........................
    Bonz, off topic, but we had fog this morning so thick I couldn't see next door! It didn't burn off till 0930. Creepy! This weather is strange....one day snow, next day balmy in shirtsleeves, next day snow again...Mother Nature is having problems figuring out what she wants...We're supposed to have showers in April, according to the nursery rhyme...someone needs to remind her...just saying.

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    The libertarian in me sides with my blog post linked in my signature.

    Government can not regulate marriage without violating most people's First amendment rights.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    The libertarian in me sides with my blog post linked in my signature.

    Government can not regulate marriage without violating most people's First amendment rights.
    The first amendment does not give you the right to a definition of a word. In fact, I would argue the first amendment actually precludes us from using religion as the basis for that definition, as far as the government is concerned.
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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    The libertarian in me sides with my blog post linked in my signature.

    Government can not regulate marriage without violating most people's First amendment rights.
    That makes no sense. Government cannot fail to place a definition on who it issues a license to without violating someone's rights? You believe in the positive right to a marriage license?

    Libertarians are supposed to believe that rights are negative in nature.

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    The libertarian in me sides with my blog post linked in my signature.

    Government can not regulate marriage without violating most people's First amendment rights.
    That makes no sense. Government cannot fail to place a definition on who it issues a license to without violating someone's rights? You believe in the positive right to a marriage license?

    Libertarians are supposed to believe that rights are negative in nature.

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