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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    ignore on. Apologies for the rest for allowing this hijack to continue so long.

    anyway. I'm not sure if the current makeup of SCOTUS will do it, but I imagine it is inevitable that at some point a 5-4 decision will come down that SSM is a protected class based on gender.

    but for now, I just don't see it happening.

    And i never see polygamy being treated the same way. Society will have to overwhelmingly support it because the courts aren't going to swoop in and bestow such rights for them as I predict SSM eventually gets.

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    ignore on. Apologies for the rest for allowing this hijack to continue so long.
    OK, now THAT'S truly "pathetic."

    And this is the problem, and what you apparently just don't want to hear, for whatever reason:

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    anyway. I'm not sure if the current makeup of SCOTUS will do it, but I imagine it is inevitable that at some point a 5-4 decision will come down that SSM is a protected class based on gender.
    Not one case has been decided on this basis. Not a single one. In fact, in Perry, which was just heard, the federal court specifically declined to decide it on that basis.

    So, there is no reason at all to think this is "inevitable." The jurisprudence thus far is unanimously against it.

    But, for some reason, you just don't want to hear it. So, indeed, ignore me if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change anything.
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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertas-Mors View Post
    I say yes. I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to.

    If Gays are allowed to marry so should they.
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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    ignore on. Apologies for the rest for allowing this hijack to continue so long.

    anyway. I'm not sure if the current makeup of SCOTUS will do it, but I imagine it is inevitable that at some point a 5-4 decision will come down that SSM is a protected class based on gender.

    but for now, I just don't see it happening.

    And i never see polygamy being treated the same way. Society will have to overwhelmingly support it because the courts aren't going to swoop in and bestow such rights for them as I predict SSM eventually gets.
    what about the equal protection clause in the 14th amendement that gays always cite. why can't they cite that to or any group defined by their sexual preference.
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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    what about the equal protection clause in the 14th amendement that gays always cite. why can't they cite that to or any group defined by their sexual preference.
    What "protected group" would polygamists fall under?

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    what about the equal protection clause in the 14th amendement that gays always cite. why can't they cite that to or any group defined by their sexual preference.
    They can cite that, then the state presents its argument for why having limitations on how many people are allowed to enter into a marriage furthers a state interest directly related to the limitation, number of people in a marriage, itself.

    The state is not able to show how limiting marriage by sex/gender furthers any legitimate state interest that is directly related to the limitation, sex/gender of those involved, itself. The most they have come up with is about children, and yet the problem with this argument is that it does not pertain to all opposite sex couples equally and there is no legal requirement in any US marriage laws that a couple must be able to or even want to procreate, we allow divorce for those who have children and we have children born outside of marriage all the time.
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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Its useless trying to explain equal protection analysis to NP. I've tried. I've even sent him very basic links and he either refuses to learn or pretends to not understand.
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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    what about the equal protection clause in the 14th amendement that gays always cite. why can't they cite that to or any group defined by their sexual preference.
    I think homosexuals will eventually win on that one, but they haven't yet. When they do, it will because of gender equality, which is protected. triangular (or more nested) relationships don't belong to a protected class like gender or race do.

    the courts are always slow to adapt. As i understand it, courts initially backed racial marriage bans because they claimed it didn't harm one race, it harmed all races. Seems stupid to people today, but deeply seeded bias is slow to change.

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Can anyone imagine how complicated the married filing jointly could get?
    The stickiest part of the issue, as I noted earlier. That whole tax area would have to be revisited.
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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What "protected group" would polygamists fall under?
    Nymphomania?
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