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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Consenting adults ought to be free to form the relationships they want to form.

    This, of course, WILL be in issue in the not-too-distant future, especially if SSM is instituted judicially on the basis of civil rights.

    It will be quite interesting indeed to see who opposes it, and why.
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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    I think this discussion is a bit too one-sided, focusing on individual liberty, without regards to the effects on society as a whole. Govts role is not merely to protect the rights of individuals. It is also to maintain the social order and promote the general welfare

    The raising of children to be productive citizens is of critical importance to both the maintenance of the social order, and the promotion of the general welfare. There is overwhelming support (both popular and sociological) for the idea that children benefit from a stable home with two parents. IMO, it is not enough to say that children can do as well in homes with more than 2 parents; there needs to be good reason to believe that having the govt protect and promote polyamorous relationships is superior to the current situation in order to justify having the govt do so.
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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertas-Mors View Post
    How about squares? :-)

    I am rather confident that such specific issues could be hammered out in a contract when you go in to get your marriage license.
    I understand that - but the same could be said, now, of all marriages, couldn't it? Then why do we even bother? As I've argued in the SSM thread, marriage is mostly a matter of the convenience of a default position. There are a few exceptions:

    1. A spouse cannot be forced to testify against the other spouse. That can be simply settled to apply to all parties involved. I note it for inclusion.

    2. Children. There are only two parents. I am not familiar enough with these laws to know how or even if more than two adults can be held ultimately and legally accountable for children.

    3. Tax laws - and it's probably the stickiest of the bunch.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    But now you're getting into "protecting people from themselves" territory. Not saying these concerns don't exist, but is it the government's responsibility to do something about it?
    It's the issues I noted above that are the problem. The triangle was an example because it would no doubt be the most common and create some issues all by itself - for example, conflicting decisions by two for the third. Yes, it's the government's responsibility because they hold the legal keys. Those legal issues need to be addressed. SSM doesn't have those problems because it's only two people just like we legally recognized, now, so there's no substantial legal difference.

    I noted in my additional paragraph/sentence that I agreed from a personal freedom standpoint. I don't care what people do in their private lives.
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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I was going to say that the Pyramids, perhaps the most famous of triangles every established by humans have survived centuries - who's to say polygamous marriages wouldn't be equally as strong.
    The bases of the pyramids are all square, not triangular.
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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The bases of the pyramids are all square, not triangular.
    So you're in favor of polygamy provided there's at least four sides in the mix. Understood.

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertas-Mors View Post
    That's true. I don't disagree with that.
    You mean something like the following:

    Many, many years ago when I was twenty-three
    I was married to a widow who was pretty as could be
    This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red
    My father fell in love with her and soon they too were wed

    This made my dad my son-in-law and really changed my life
    For now my daughter was my mother, 'cause she was my father's wife
    And to complicate the matter, even though it brought me joy
    I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy

    My little baby then became a brother-in-law to dad
    And so became my uncle, though it made me very sad
    For if he were my uncle, then that also made him brother
    Of the widow's grownup daughter, who was of course my step-mother

    Father's wife then had a son who kept them on the run
    And he became my grandchild, for he was my daughter's son
    My wife is now my mother's mother and it makes me blue
    Because although she is my wife, she's my grandmother too

    Now if my wife is my grandmother, then I'm her grandchild
    And every time I think of it, it nearly drives me wild
    'Cause now I have become the strangest 'case you ever saw
    As husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpa

    I'm my own grandpa, I'm my own grandpa
    It sounds funny, I know but it really is so
    I'm my own grandpa

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I think this discussion is a bit too one-sided, focusing on individual liberty, without regards to the effects on society as a whole. Govts role is not merely to protect the rights of individuals. It is also to maintain the social order and promote the general welfare

    The raising of children to be productive citizens is of critical importance to both the maintenance of the social order, and the promotion of the general welfare. There is overwhelming support (both popular and sociological) for the idea that children benefit from a stable home with two parents. IMO, it is not enough to say that children can do as well in homes with more than 2 parents; there needs to be good reason to believe that having the govt protect and promote polyamorous relationships is superior to the current situation in order to justify having the govt do so.
    And these are exactly the kinds of contortions I'm looking forward to seeing.
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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So you're in favor of polygamy provided there's at least four sides in the mix. Understood.
    Does that mean that only squares can join? Doesn't sound like a good selling point, so how do they get new recruits?

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Does that mean that only squares can join? Doesn't sound like a good selling point, so how do they get new recruits?
    You're sounding a little too interested there, Lady P. Does your husband know what's going on here??

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    Re: Should polygamists have the right to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You're sounding a little too interested there, Lady P. Does your husband know what's going on here??
    LOL! Just ask one little innocent question... : "Knowledge is power." Francis Bacon

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