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    Re: Would we be better off had the Cold War continued to this day?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I think this exactly is the case when it comes to many East Germans. A general nostalgia for subjectively simpler times, when they were still young, enjoyed their youth, and their spouse was not gone to the West yet to marry a Westener.
    LOLS and people of my generation talk about how much easier and simpler life was in the sixties and seventies, but how much of it was really about being at a stage of life where the world is before you, rather than it REALLY being better?
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    Re: Would we be better off had the Cold War continued to this day?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I think this exactly is the case when it comes to many East Germans. A general nostalgia for subjectively simpler times, when they were still young, enjoyed their youth, and their spouse was not gone to the West yet to marry a Westener.
    Or they just miss the time when they had (stable) jobs, there were no bank bailouts and people were more ... humane?

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    Re: Would we be better off had the Cold War continued to this day?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    LOLS and people of my generation talk about how much easier and simpler life was in the sixties and seventies, but how much of it was really about being at a stage of life where the world is before you, rather than it REALLY being better?
    Well, there are "losers of reunification" too, of course, who are probably doing worse now than in the GDR. First of all the communist intelligentsia, of course, which lost their profitable jobs. Than many of the people who lacked the necessary skills and initiative to make a good life in a capitalist system (yeah, I know, many Americans call even the new Germany "socialist", but I don't think they know what they're talking about) -- in the GDR, even if there was no productive use for you, the government would give you some superficial job and pay you, give you an apartment and so on. Now, you have to look out for your life all on your own -- even applying for welfare is a bureaucratic procedure that apparently is difficult for some. And then, you have to constantly look out for jobs if you don't want to lose your handouts ...

    Another fact that probably skews these statistics a little is that many of the more flexible and energetic Easteners have already left their home regions to look for jobs. IIRC, 2 to 3 million out of 17 million East Germans have left the East to move to the West in the past two decades. So in many eastern regions, those who remain are the less flexible and more nostalgic people.
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    Re: Would we be better off had the Cold War continued to this day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Or they just miss the time when they had (stable) jobs, there were no bank bailouts and people were more ... humane?
    Yes. And think of the psychological impact of freedom of speech: Suddenly, you don't just hear constant propaganda how everything is going up, up and up ... instead the bad facts are no longer hidden, but discussed in public. The "post-authoritarian phantom pain" makes many people think that means there now actually *is* more crime, corruption, abuse of authority and disagreement -- while in reality, it probably was even much worse, just hidden better ...

    You noticed the same "post-authoritarian phantom pain" in West-Germany too: Up to the late 1960s, a majority of West-Germans would still say in polls that "Nazism was a good idea, just poorly executed" (50%+).
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    Re: Would we be better off had the Cold War continued to this day?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Yes. And think of the psychological impact of freedom of speech.
    I take the West into consideration too. There was practically no change in freedom of speech in BRD, Spain, UK, Italy, Greece... and yet if you ask the armies of unemployed protestors in Spain or Greece, they would probably choose the Cold War when real estate was priced reasonably and kids didn't stay in front of the computer all day long or play video games.

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    Re: Would we be better off had the Cold War continued to this day?

    I really, really miss those *duck and cover* drills.

    Seriously, did the CW actually end or was it just renamed?

    (much of today's 'continuity of government* protocols, weapons and equipment are from the Cold War era)
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    Re: Would we be better off had the Cold War continued to this day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    The Cold War ended some 22 years ago. But are we better off as individuals and as societies?
    Yes and idk. Yes we are better off without the Cold War. We don't have to live with the threat that next minute could be the last of us on this Earth. The "idk" comes from whether or not the people under Soviet rule are happy or not...which is a different matter.
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    Re: Would we be better off had the Cold War continued to this day?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I really, really miss those *duck and cover* drills.

    Seriously, did the CW actually end or was it just renamed?

    (much of today's 'continuity of government* protocols, weapons and equipment are from the Cold War era)
    Renamed to what, "hot peace"?

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    Re: Would we be better off had the Cold War continued to this day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Renamed to what, "hot peace"?
    LOL. we be closer to the actual description than you think.

    IMO, the 'fear' factor' was in place so the everyday details went underground. It takes countries like Iran and NK to bring it back out in the open.

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    Re: Would we be better off had the Cold War continued to this day?

    no. we would have been better off if we had issued a doctrine of non-interventionism the second it ended. then the world would have had to build and fund its own military force for police actions.

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