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  • saber rattling like a champ - not a real threat - never was

    5 9.09%
  • a spoiled brat seeking attention - not a real threat

    15 27.27%
  • trying to provoke US/SK into striking first

    6 10.91%
  • a real threat

    5 9.09%
  • a teeny-tiny threat - but still something we should watch

    18 32.73%
  • other - please explain

    6 10.91%
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Thread: North Korea - Your Gut Says....

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    Re: North Korea - Your Gut Says....

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    has the potential to become serious over time.
    Well yeah....if some idiot nut-job country decides to preemptively start a war with them based on nothing more than saber-rattling.

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    Re: North Korea - Your Gut Says....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    What's your gut feeling about North Korea these days?

    Massive saber rattling?

    Spoiled brat new leader just looking for attention, and only knows one way to get it?

    Trying to provoke another country (South Korea/USA) to strike NK first?

    Serious threat?
    One from column A, one from column B...

    He learned from his father this is the way to keep his people isolated and receive the necessary material support from everyone else in the world. He won't back down until he sees there's a way for him to call this a win, to tell his people he made the majors back down (the details of negotiations just have to make the lie convincing enough to his sheltered population).

    It's the squeeky wheel asking for more grease.

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    Re: North Korea - Your Gut Says....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    my guess is that he doesn't intend to launch something. however, he's ratcheted up tensions to the point where a stray shot could cause a major crisis.

    my other feeling is that China, as the regional powerhouse, needs to be the one dealing with this.
    This is my thought, as well. I don't think he intends anything to happen, but he's wreckless and immature enough that he might cause it anyway.

    From what I understand, China's open displeasure with him is only causing him to be more wreckless.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: North Korea - Your Gut Says....

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This is my thought, as well. I don't think he intends anything to happen, but he's wreckless and immature enough that he might cause it anyway.

    From what I understand, China's open displeasure with him is only causing him to be more wreckless.
    perhaps, but i'd rather have China dealing with NK.

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    Re: North Korea - Your Gut Says....

    I don't think he's crazy. I think he's extremely naive and sheltered.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: North Korea - Your Gut Says....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    perhaps, but i'd rather have China dealing with NK.
    Oh, I agree. I was just pointing out some additional info.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: North Korea - Your Gut Says....

    I know the little pudgy guy is just pumping his chest but there are a lot of serious men with their guns out of their holsters.


    All the time you read stories about a bunch of 20 something yr olds having a party and there is one guy in the kitchen showing off his pistol trying to act tough. And boom an unplanned round goes off.

    Have a bad feeling that someone is going to let a round off and it is going to be like the Fourth of July.

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    Re: North Korea - Your Gut Says....

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I don't think he's crazy. I think he's extremely naive and sheltered.
    Well you kinda got to get into what we mean by "crazy", there. It could be his a priori beliefs simply don't match what we see as reality. Maybe this guy saw the remake of Red Dawn and thought it was a piece of state propaganda by the US government to convince it's populace to fight on after their inevitable defeat by the mighty north korean forces

    Alternately, it could very well be the "oh crap this guy is disconnected from reality" is an intentional projection

    Stratfor has an interesting analysis on that line:

    ...North Korea, of course, has been doing this for years and doing it successfully, so what appears absurd on the surface quite obviously isn't. On the contrary, it has proved to be a very effective maneuver. North Korea is estimated to have a gross domestic product of about $28 billion, about the same as Latvia or Turkmenistan. Yet it has maneuvered itself into a situation where the United States, Japan, China, Russia and South Korea have sat down with it at the negotiating table in a bid to persuade it not to build weapons. Sometimes, the great powers give North Korea money and food to persuade it not to develop weapons. It sometimes agrees to a halt, but then resumes its nuclear activities. It never completes a weapon, but it frequently threatens to test one. And when it carries out such tests, it claims its tests are directed at the United States and South Korea, as if the test itself were a threat.

    There is brilliance in North Korea's strategy. When the Soviet Union collapsed, North Korea was left in dire economic straits. There were reasonable expectations that its government would soon collapse, leading to the unification of the Korean Peninsula. Naturally, the goal of the North Korean government was regime survival, so it was terrified that outside powers would invade or support an uprising against it. It needed a strategy that would dissuade anyone from trying that. Being weak in every sense, this wasn't going to be easy, but the North Koreans developed a strategy that we described more than 10 years ago as ferocious, weak and crazy. North Korea has pursued this course since the 1990s, and the latest manifestation of this strategy was on display last week. The strategy has worked marvelously and is still working....

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    Re: North Korea - Your Gut Says....

    Alright, I think I figured it out. Went to the movies today and saw a film called Olympus Has Fallen. In this movie, a highly trained North Korean elite commando group shoots down two F22s, commandeers the White House, wipes out its entire defensive systems and kills all of the White House Marine Corp Honor Guards as well as the entire Presidential Secret Service corp. Obviously America wins in the end but before its over they execute the Prime Minister of South Korea, take President, the Vice-President, the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff hostage at the White House underground crisis bunker where they control the US ICBM system. They force the country to withdraw all troops from the Korean peninsula, send the 7th Fleet out of the Sea of Japan and come within 3 seconds of turning the United States into a nuclear wasteland with our own nuclear arsenal. Kim Jong Un must have gotten a pirated copy of the movie and got on an ego trip for the history books.

    Olympus Has Fallen l Official Site l Coming March 22 2013
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    Re: North Korea - Your Gut Says....

    his dad got money and supplies given to him for not making nukes..
    now this guy is going ape for some other handout....or
    china needs a military economic shot in the arm and you guys are more than willing to lend a hand for the other side...

    kids will die...people's lives will be ruined...but hey some of us made money sooooo

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