View Poll Results: Should Civil Rights be limitable/removable by popular vote?

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  • Yes, they should be able to be limited and removed

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  • They should be limitable, but not removable

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  • No, they shouldn't be limitable or removable

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    Should Civil Rights be limited by popular vote?

    This came up a TON during the gay marriage debate. So often you hear people stating that "Civil Rights shouldn't be put to popular vote!". So I'm wondering peoples stances on this. Should Civil Rights, or rights you view as even greater than Civil Rights (fundamental, natural, etc), be able to be limited or removed based on popular vote? Be it through a ballot initiative in Prop 8 or through a standard congressional law.

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    Re: Should Civil Rights be limited by popular vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This came up a TON during the gay marriage debate. So often you hear people stating that "Civil Rights shouldn't be put to popular vote!". So I'm wondering peoples stances on this. Should Civil Rights, or rights you view as even greater than Civil Rights (fundamental, natural, etc), be able to be limited or removed based on popular vote? Be it through a ballot initiative in Prop 8 or through a standard congressional law.
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    Re: Should Civil Rights be limited by popular vote?

    civil rights?...you mean civil privileges of the 14th amendment?

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    Re: Should Civil Rights be limited by popular vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This came up a TON during the gay marriage debate. So often you hear people stating that "Civil Rights shouldn't be put to popular vote!". So I'm wondering peoples stances on this. Should Civil Rights, or rights you view as even greater than Civil Rights (fundamental, natural, etc), be able to be limited or removed based on popular vote? Be it through a ballot initiative in Prop 8 or through a standard congressional law.
    To answer your question... **** No.

    But I don't necessarily agree with the emboldened portion.... but I will refrain from making other comments because I dont want to ruin your poll.
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    Re: Should Civil Rights be limited by popular vote?

    "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Hmm...
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    Re: Should Civil Rights be limited by popular vote?

    I do seem to recall a little tidbit from civics class regarding the three branches of government and the need for checks and balances.

    Of course, that was quite some time ago, and with the judicial branch so often under attack from the right, who knows.
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    Re: Should Civil Rights be limited by popular vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This came up a TON during the gay marriage debate. So often you hear people stating that "Civil Rights shouldn't be put to popular vote!". So I'm wondering peoples stances on this. Should Civil Rights, or rights you view as even greater than Civil Rights (fundamental, natural, etc), be able to be limited or removed based on popular vote? Be it through a ballot initiative in Prop 8 or through a standard congressional law.
    Absolutely you should be able to remove any right with a constitutional amendment. If you ain't got one of those however...

    All rights have limits. I do not have a good definition of where the line is drawn between which limits are ok and which are not except that it should be a few as possible.
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    Re: Should Civil Rights be limited by popular vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This came up a TON during the gay marriage debate. So often you hear people stating that "Civil Rights shouldn't be put to popular vote!". So I'm wondering peoples stances on this. Should Civil Rights, or rights you view as even greater than Civil Rights (fundamental, natural, etc), be able to be limited or removed based on popular vote? Be it through a ballot initiative in Prop 8 or through a standard congressional law.
    Not based on popular vote alone, but rather through limitations on affecting the rights of others.
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    Re: Should Civil Rights be limited by popular vote?

    Limitable but not removable.

    Yelling fire in a crowded theater, calling in bomb threats, a grown man violently threatening to kill a six-year-old girl (but not actually making any physical attempt to injur her at all).

    I can think of plenty reasons why freedom of speech could/should be limited.

    Likewise, I can think of numerous reasons why other fundamental rights (including 2A rights) should be limited.

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    Re: Should Civil Rights be limited by popular vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This came up a TON during the gay marriage debate. So often you hear people stating that "Civil Rights shouldn't be put to popular vote!". So I'm wondering peoples stances on this. Should Civil Rights, or rights you view as even greater than Civil Rights (fundamental, natural, etc), be able to be limited or removed based on popular vote? Be it through a ballot initiative in Prop 8 or through a standard congressional law.
    If you mean a 50%+ majority then, no. If you mean a 3/4 majority I believe that already exists since most states will put constitutional amendments to a popular vote in their state.
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