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  • I agree with the term "Illegal Immigrant" and the term "Criminal Immigrant"

    12 38.71%
  • I agree with the term "Illegal Immigrant", but NOT the term "Criminal Immigrant"

    7 22.58%
  • I do NOT agree with the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do agree with "Criminal Immigrant"

    3 9.68%
  • I do NOT agree with the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant" NOR do I agree with "Criminal Immigrant"

    3 9.68%
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Illegal entry into the country is indeed criminal because a first offense can get you six months in jail which is a misdemeanor criminal offense and additional offenses can get you two years in jail which is a felony criminal offense. As far as I know overstaying a visa is not a criminal offense but merely a civil offense since you only face fines and deportation and can not go to jail or prison over it(I could be wrong on this part so if anyone knows anything please corrent me and post the relavant information). While most illegals are those who came across the border illegally and therefore are criminals, there are some who came here legally on a visa and overstaying their visa are not criminals. The term criminal aliens/immigrant does not distinguish those who are here illegally and those who are here legally and have committed a crime. Nor does it cover illegals who are here because they came in legally and overstayed their visa. So I will stick to "illegals", "illegal immigrants" or illegal aliens".


    Illegal Immigration IS A CRIME!
    Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

    Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

    Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

    Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
    has committed a federal crime.

    Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
    Why the hell would their status as an immigrant come into play with any other crime than immigration crimes? There's no logical explanation for using the term Criminal Immigrant in any other context than illegal immigration. If someone s a legal immigrant, and they subsequently commit a crime, the only accurate term to describe them is "criminal". Mentioning their status as an immigrant in that context is just a display of bigotry against immigrants. "Criminal" doesn't describe the noun of "immigrant" unless it is related to the crime they committed to become an immigrant.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Criminal and illegal are basically synonyms here.

    How about "unauthorized immigrant"?
    I like the old term better. Unlawful alien.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I prefer Unlawful Alien.
    Interesting. Unless I'm wrong in my application, a human being can be "unlawful" according to the definition of "not conforming to the law". That would make it grammatically correct. Maggie called me out earlier for making a mistake, so let me see if she concurs with my interpretation. That might be much better than Criminal Immigrant, though.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    An interesting idea occurred to me. The argument against the term "illegal immigrant" that has the most merit is that it is grammatically incorrect. I know that some people disagree, but their disagreement is irrelvent to this thread (so I am asking people to please refrain from ****ing up this thread by trying to defend or attack the term "illegal immigrant"). This thread is about whether or not people find the undeniably grammatically accurate term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative to "illegal immigrant".

    Please vote in the poll. The options are:

    I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

    I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

    I do NOT support the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find the term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

    I do NOT support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", and I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

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    I'm fine with using criminal instead. I want the term to signify that they came illegally. I don't care if anyone complains that they find it offensive. There is a right way and a wrong way to go about something you want. I'd argue that the vast majority of those crossing the border or overstaying their welcome know they are breaking the rules.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Interesting. Unless I'm wrong in my application, a human being can be "unlawful" according to the definition of "not conforming to the law". That would make it grammatically correct. Maggie called me out earlier for making a mistake, so let me see if she concurs with my interpretation. That might be much better than Criminal Immigrant, though.
    That's what the intruders used to be called or illegal alien. Either one.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    When a person is referred to as an immigrant, that defines a particular element of the person. Illegal simply points out the fact that they came here, in this case, illegally. I have no problem with the term, but I do have a problem with this constant redefinition of every damn thing to suit this group or that. When you get right down to it, the only people who are here completely legally are Native Americans. Let's ask them.

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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    That's what the intruders used to be called or illegal alien. Either one.
    I'm more concerned with the grammatical accuracy of the terms for the purposes of this thread. A person cannot be illegal, but they can be unlawful.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Why the hell would their status as an immigrant come into play with any other crime than immigration crimes?
    Because they are an immigrant who has committed a crime.


    There's no logical explanation for using the term Criminal Immigrant in any other context than illegal immigration.
    Its already been explained to you.

    If someone s a legal immigrant, and they subsequently commit a crime, the only accurate term to describe them is "criminal".
    Criminal immigrant is accurate because it describes a immigrant that has committed a crime.It doesn't matter if that immigrant is an illegal that overstayed a visa who has committed a criminal offense or a legal immigrant that has committed a criminal offense.


    Mentioning their status as an immigrant in that context is just a display of bigotry against immigrants.
    No its not.Not all immigrants are criminals. Criminal immigrants refers to immigrants who have committed crimes.



    "Criminal" doesn't describe the noun of "immigrant" unless it is related to the crime they committed to become an immigrant.
    So you are playing grammar fag/nazi because your feelings get butt hurt when someone uses the term illegal,illegal immigrant, or illegal alien?
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I want the term to signify that they came illegally.
    Wouldn't any term used to describe them do this? I mean, we could call them Flugthrons, and if the definition of that word was "A person who immigrates to a country illegally", it would signify that they came here illegally.

    So, with that in mind, would you have a problem calling them Flugthrons (provided it received that definition)?
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Because they are an immigrant who has committed a crime.
    So if a black person commits a crime, you call them a Criminal Black?


    Its already been explained to you.

    Keyword there: Logical.


    I was clear about the fact that there is no LOGICAL explanation. I didn't say that there weren't any illogical ones. Obviously there are illogical ones.

    Criminal immigrant is accurate because it describes a immigrant that has committed a crime.
    Like criminal negro would be an accurate description of, say, OJ Simpson, right?

    It doesn't matter if that immigrant is an illegal that overstayed a visa who has committed a criminal offense or a legal immigrant that has committed a criminal offense.
    You've got it exactly backwards. It doesn't matter if the criminal is an immigrant if their crime has nothing to do with immigration.



    No its not.Not all immigrants are criminals. Criminal immigrants refers to immigrants who have committed crimes.
    Like how criminal white refers to someone like Bernie Madoff, right?




    So you are playing grammar fag/nazi because your feelings get butt hurt when someone uses the term illegal,illegal immigrant, or illegal alien?
    What a phenomenally retarded comment to make. where did you get such a phenomenally stupid idea from?
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