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  • I agree with the term "Illegal Immigrant" and the term "Criminal Immigrant"

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  • I agree with the term "Illegal Immigrant", but NOT the term "Criminal Immigrant"

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  • I do NOT agree with the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do agree with "Criminal Immigrant"

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  • I do NOT agree with the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant" NOR do I agree with "Criminal Immigrant"

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Thread: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    An interesting idea occurred to me. The argument against the term "illegal immigrant" that has the most merit is that it is grammatically incorrect. I know that some people disagree, but their disagreement is irrelvent to this thread (so I am asking people to please refrain from ****ing up this thread by trying to defend or attack the term "illegal immigrant"). This thread is about whether or not people find the undeniably grammatically accurate term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative to "illegal immigrant".

    Please vote in the poll. The options are:

    I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

    I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

    I do NOT support the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find the term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

    I do NOT support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", and I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

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    As far as I know, being present illegally in the US is not a criminal offense (but rather a civil offense, this includes both crossing the border illegally and overstaying one's visa). Contrary to what others have said in this thread, the words "illegal" and "criminal" are not equivalent. For instance, speeding is illegal but not usually criminal.

    Therefore I don't believe the phrase "criminal immigrant" can be an accurate replacement for "illegal alien."

    It can apply to a legal immigrant who has committed a crime, violent or otherwise. It can apply to an unauthorized immigrant who has committed an actual crime. As far as how to describe a person who is simply in the country illegally, whether by illegally crossing the border or overstaying one's visa, I think in the other thread that in the article I posted someone posed the alternative "unauthorized migrant."
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    To me saying criminal immigrant does not address their legal status. It tell me that yes, they are an immigrant and a criminal, but that doesn't define their status as illegal or unauthorized does. I know immigrants who are legal and illegal and are both criminals, so how would calling the illegal one a "criminal immigrant" differentiate from the legal immigrant who is also a criminal immigrant to show their status?
    Ah, okay I understand your perspective. When you put it that way it does make a lot of sense to differentiate people who come here legally and who are criminals, and other variations. I retract my statement from before. When it comes to their legal status in this country we should keep it to illegal immigrant.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, that's not really right. In both cases, they are adjectives (as opposed to your usage right above as a noun) modifying "immigrant". In fact, I'd say using "criminal immigrant" in a sentence would be incorrect and poor usage.





    I like mine better.
    Excellent point. One is less grammatically incorect than the other (it doesn't require a whole new specific noun to be invented in order to be somewhat accurate like illegal requires). Both of them have grammatical flaws, though.

    I agree that yours is better, by the way. I'm really just testing a hypothesis.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    The one that I actually prefer most of all is "Undocumented Immigrant." It does not label the person as illegal or criminal, simply that they lack documentation.

    I think the whole argument is silly though, and given the choice between illegal and criminal, I prefer illegal.


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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Well, illegal alien is a proper term with a clear meaning; "illegal immigrant" is not.

    I can only presume we got to this status quo because of political correctness surrounding the word "alien," leading to the oddball "illegal immigrant."

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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    I don't have a problem with using the term "Illegal" but I have a problem with using the term "immigrant" because under U.S. law and international law these illegal aliens are not "immigrants."

    IMMIGRATION:

    Immigration by definition is the legal process of an immigrant openly, honestly and with the consent of the government immigrates from ones native land to another sovereign country with the intent of permanent residence.

    Under U.S. statue, anyone who is not a U.S. citizen is an alien. Be they in the country with a tourist visa, work visa, business visa or immigrant visa they all are aliens.

    Anyone who allows their visa to expire or enters the country illegally without a visa is an Illegal Alien.

    There is one other term that can be found in U.S. statue to use instead of "illegal alien", "Unauthorized alien."

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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The one that I actually prefer most of all is "Undocumented Immigrant." It does not label the person as illegal or criminal, simply that they lack documentation.
    It suggests more of a clerical mistake than a legal status, though. I like Maggie's answer. We should reserve words like criminal for violence, or acts that harm a lot of people. People running away from Mexico to come here are unauthorized. That's the best word to use.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    We lure them up here with jobs...then we want to throw them in jail and call them names. Gramatically correct names, but still.

    I think there is just something wrong with this whole damn country. Just a thought.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    An interesting idea occurred to me. The argument against the term "illegal immigrant" that has the most merit is that it is grammatically incorrect. I know that some people disagree, but their disagreement is irrelvent to this thread (so I am asking people to please refrain from ****ing up this thread by trying to defend or attack the term "illegal immigrant"). This thread is about whether or not people find the undeniably grammatically accurate term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative to "illegal immigrant".

    Please vote in the poll. The options are:

    I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

    I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

    I do NOT support the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find the term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

    I do NOT support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", and I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

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    I prefer Unlawful Alien.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    We lure them up here with jobs...then we want to throw them in jail and call them names. Gramatically correct names, but still.

    I think there is just something wrong with this whole damn country. Just a thought.
    They knew it was unlawful to come here. I have no sympathy.
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