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  • I agree with the term "Illegal Immigrant" and the term "Criminal Immigrant"

    12 38.71%
  • I agree with the term "Illegal Immigrant", but NOT the term "Criminal Immigrant"

    7 22.58%
  • I do NOT agree with the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do agree with "Criminal Immigrant"

    3 9.68%
  • I do NOT agree with the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant" NOR do I agree with "Criminal Immigrant"

    3 9.68%
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Other, as in use the proper terminology. They're illegal aliens.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The main difference being that a person cannot be illegal, but a person can be a criminal. That's why one is grammatically correct, while the other isn't.
    As long as the INTENT to avert any US immigration screening is implied, I agree with the term. Changing it to "undocumented" is simply a lie (90% of the time) since these folks usually have documents that they simply would rather not present. My main objection to federal immigration law enforcement is not going after those that hire them. Too many folks want to play "secure the border" nonsense yet allow nearly anyone in for a vacation, brief visit or a "one day" shopping trip that can then easily "dissappear" once "legally" accross the border.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I like mine better.
    I think "unathorized immigrant" is much better as well, espcially in the context you put it.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    We aren't really addressing someone's person-hood though. We are addressing their legal status in a country.

    So yes, illegal immigrant and criminal immigrant are both accurate terms and not really offensive, just the truth. It's just formed a negative connotation.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    I think we should just call them "Al Qaeda Affiliates" an unleash Eric Holder's Drone Air Force on them......rat ta tat tat......

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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    How about we stop calling them immigrants (which should be saved for only those who filled out some sort of immigration or worker's program papers) and just start calling them non-citizens or illegal residents.
    Non-citizens doesn't work because A. Millions of immigrants who came here legally are non-citizens and B. Billions of non-citizens never bother to come here at all.
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The main difference being that a person cannot be illegal, but a person can be a criminal. That's why one is grammatically correct, while the other isn't.
    I agree with this. I pointed this out yesterday claiming humans can not be illegal.

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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    And how bout Criminal Employer?
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    We aren't really addressing someone's person-hood though. We are addressing their legal status in a country.
    So yes, illegal immigrant and criminal immigrant are both accurate terms and not really offensive, just the truth. It's just formed a negative connotation.
    To me saying criminal immigrant does not address their legal status. It tell me that yes, they are an immigrant and a criminal, but that doesn't define their status as illegal or unauthorized does. I know immigrants who are legal and illegal and are both criminals, so how would calling the illegal one a "criminal immigrant" differentiate from the legal immigrant who is also a criminal immigrant to show their status?
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    Re: "Criminal Immigrant" instead of "Illegal Immigrant"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    An interesting idea occurred to me. The argument against the term "illegal immigrant" that has the most merit is that it is grammatically incorrect. I know that some people disagree, but their disagreement is irrelvent to this thread (so I am asking people to please refrain from ****ing up this thread by trying to defend or attack the term "illegal immigrant"). This thread is about whether or not people find the undeniably grammatically accurate term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative to "illegal immigrant".

    Please vote in the poll. The options are:

    I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

    I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

    I do NOT support the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find the term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

    I do NOT support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", and I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.

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    Illegal entry into the country is indeed criminal because a first offense can get you six months in jail which is a misdemeanor criminal offense and additional offenses can get you two years in jail which is a felony criminal offense. As far as I know overstaying a visa is not a criminal offense but merely a civil offense since you only face fines and deportation and can not go to jail or prison over it(I could be wrong on this part so if anyone knows anything please corrent me and post the relavant information). While most illegals are those who came across the border illegally and therefore are criminals, there are some who came here legally on a visa and overstaying their visa are not criminals. The term criminal aliens/immigrant does not distinguish those who are here illegally and those who are here legally and have committed a crime. Nor does it cover illegals who are here because they came in legally and overstayed their visa. So I will stick to "illegals", "illegal immigrants" or illegal aliens".


    Illegal Immigration IS A CRIME!
    Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

    Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

    Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

    Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
    has committed a federal crime.

    Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
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