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Is there any controversy between capitalism an d welfare? Should it be eliminated?
Welfare is a social program provided by the government, while Capitalism is an economic system. Two different animals.
I thought Capitalism was a political system too. :roll:
Welfare is a social program provided by the government, while Capitalism is an economic system. Two different animals.
You mean like socialism? They're both economic systems with political ramifications because they include the role of the government.
Democracy, republic and communism are more political systems.
There is no economic system without politics (laws). Am I wrong?
I didn't say you could separate them just that Welfare is more of a government operated program than an economic system. Even the Romans had a sort of Welfare. All Charities are a form of Welfare, it simply means helping those whom by circumstance are impoverished.
Yes, welfare is a government policy. The question is: should it exist?
Charity is something different since average Joe doesn't get taxed about it but some people decide to give things away for free.
Yes, welfare is a government policy. The question is: should it exist?
Charity is something different since average Joe doesn't get taxed about it but some people decide to give things away for free.
That to me is like asking should the "Defense Department" exist. I think that Welfare could be reformed somewhat but it would be fairly nasty to defend our citizens against violence from outside sources but let the poorest among us starve and die on the streets.
Yes but in order to give to John the state must take from Joe.
There were no welfare benefits 100 years ago. Right?
What is your point that tax payer money shouldn't go to anyone poor?.
Define "capitalism". Define "welfare".
For me, "capitalism" - as opposed to "socialism" - is a free-market ideal. It is about the freedom of choice, not about the maximal profit regardless of circumstances. You be the judge: how often our economic reality is actually "capitalist", in this sense.
"Welfare" is highly undesirable - in theory - the perverse incentives and unintended consequences are too many to mention - but! Is the (however clumsy and misguided in practice) desire to help the least fortunate something we have focus on and militate against, as libertarians?
God, no.
We can double, triple our assistance to the poor (in a very different, intelligent way, please) - and still balance our budgets, and revive our economy, and shrink the damn bloody government, etc.
Look at the pie chart of our federal expenses: the military and the entitlements - that's where the money is.
Define "capitalism". Define "welfare".
Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of capital goods and the means of production...
Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of well-being and social support for all citizens, sometimes referred to as public aid. In most developed countries, welfare is largely provided by the government, in addition to charities, informal social groups, religious groups, and inter-governmental organizations.
The welfare state expands on this concept to include services such as universal healthcare.
Look at the pie chart of our federal expenses: the military and the entitlements - that's where the money is.
"Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of capital goods and the means of production..."
Which tells you approximately nothing about anything.
OK, perhaps we should try this one: CAPITALISM: Capitalism is a social system based on the principle of INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS
Rand said:it represents the best way to achieve ‘the common good.’ It is true that capitalism does—if that catch-phrase has any meaning—but this is merely a secondary consequence.
Off the cuff I would think that's trivially true based on reality.
Are you suggesting that welfare is a by-product of Capitalism?
You did when you suggested we use the definition in post #19. I'm concerned that you asked that....
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/156473-welfare-capitalism-2.html#post1061652225
Capitalism is a social system based on the principle of individual rights. Politically, it is the system of laissez-faire (freedom). Legally it is a system of objective laws (rule of law as opposed to rule of man). Economically, when such freedom is applied to the sphere of production its’ result is the free-market.
So welfare is not for the common good? Please elaborate, I would not have thought you'd hold that position!I don't know dude. "Common good" and "welfare" are not the same, imho.
The same author, on the same page, remarks on the relationship though, why are you dismissing it?Nothing about welfare or welfare benefits.
“The moral justification of capitalism does not lie in the altruist claim that it represents the best way to achieve ‘the common good.’ It is true that capitalism does—if that catch-phrase has any meaning—but this is merely a secondary consequence. The moral justification of capitalism lies in the fact that it is the only system consonant with man’s rational nature, that it protects man’s survival qua man, and that its ruling principle is: justice.” — AYN RAND
rand said:Impossible right to economic security implies slave labor: Morally, the promise of an impossible 'right' to economic security is an infamous attempt to abrogate the concept of rights. It can and does mean only one thing: a promise to enslave the men who produce, for the benefit of those who don't. If some men are entitled by right to the products of the work of others, it means that those others are deprived of rights and condemned to slave labor. Source: "The Ayn Rand Lexicon, " by Harry Binswanger, p.529 , Jan 1, 1998
Rand said:Capitalism has created the highest standard of living ever known on earth. The evidence is incontrovertible. The contrast between west and east Berlin is the latest demonstration, like a laboratory experiment for all to see. Yet those who are loudest in proclaiming their desire to eliminate poverty are loudest in denouncing capitalism. Man's well being is not their goal.
So welfare is not for the common good? Please elaborate, I would not have thought you'd hold that position!