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    Re: Should the Carnival Cruise company have to reimburse the US treasury?

    Couldn't the Fed file civil suit for the funds and expense? Arguing negligence on the part of Carnival; or flatly tell Carnival they need to have their own towing and tug services in the future?

    Thought I should edit to label the reasons why: if Carnival has to pay for services to cover for their incompetence in ship maintenance, they will take ship maintenance more seriously. End rseult is a safer cruise line and better services without relying on government to pick up the tab for their negligent business practices.

    Pocketbook penalization is probably the only thing that will make them change their business practices.

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    Re: Should the Carnival Cruise company have to reimburse the US treasury?

    I think they should, in fact, it shouldn't matter where their ships are registered, it isn't the job of the Coast Guard to go dragging people's ships around. Sure, they'll do it, but it ought to be at the expense of the people who they're towing. Anyone and everyone who gets assistance from the Coast Guard or the Army or the Navy, when they go above and beyond their stated duties, ought to get the bill for it.
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    Re: Should the Carnival Cruise company have to reimburse the US treasury?

    Yes, they probably should. If it was rescuing people off a sinking ship or something, then no, I don't think they should have to pay that back. But if it's just towing their ships back to port for them after they break down, then they should absolutely pay for that, since that's not really what the coast guard exists for. There are (presumably) private companies that could do the job, it seems like Carnival is just too cheap to want to pay for it. I don't think it even matters that they don't pay US taxes. I'd say the same of a company that did. No one should abuse the emergency response system for personal gain and not have to pay for it.
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    Re: Should the Carnival Cruise company have to reimburse the US treasury?

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Couldn't the Fed file civil suit for the funds and expense? Arguing negligence on the part of Carnival; or flatly tell Carnival they need to have their own towing and tug services in the future?

    Thought I should edit to label the reasons why: if Carnival has to pay for services to cover for their incompetence in ship maintenance, they will take ship maintenance more seriously. End rseult is a safer cruise line and better services without relying on government to pick up the tab for their negligent business practices.

    Pocketbook penalization is probably the only thing that will make them change their business practices.
    I don't like the idea of creating new rules on the fly. If its already SOP to seek reimbursement from commercial maritime rescue expenses under similar circumstances, yes. If its not SOP but an idea that was conceived after the fact, no. This particular case aside, there's something troubling IMHO when government can just invent new and unique rules that don't apply to any other person of entity arbitrarily to address matters after they've occurred possibly driven by emotionalism.
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    Re: Should the Carnival Cruise company have to reimburse the US treasury?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I don't like the idea of creating new rules on the fly. If its already SOP to seek reimbursement from commercial maritime rescue expenses under similar circumstances, yes. If its not SOP but an idea that was conceived after the fact, no. This particular case aside, there's something troubling IMHO when government can just invent new and unique rules that don't apply to any other person of entity arbitrarily to address matters after they've occurred possibly driven by emotionalism.
    Proof of negligence would toss those concerns out the window. The best way to do it in my opinion is to subject their ships to extra scrutiny and be a stickler on fines until they start cleaning up their act. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

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    Re: Should the Carnival Cruise company have to reimburse the US treasury?

    carnival cruises are for the working class

    it's a jumble of the emperor's new clothes on every level it offers.

    if you like the thing , you don;t know better.


    and it comes as no surprise your present government would even consider subsidizing these people in any way

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    Re: Should the Carnival Cruise company have to reimburse the US treasury?

    Let's charge for the Coast Guard to go out looking for kids swept out to sea, lost boaters, missing planes, and medical evacuation flights in remote Alaska as well

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    Re: Should the Carnival Cruise company have to reimburse the US treasury?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Let's charge for the Coast Guard to go out looking for kids swept out to sea, lost boaters, missing planes, and medical evacuation flights in remote Alaska as well
    See above post: pay particular attention to the word negligence.

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    Re: Should the Carnival Cruise company have to reimburse the US treasury?

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    See above post: pay particular attention to the word negligence.
    doesn't change my opinion on the subject. We shouldn't be charging to rescue vehicles/people in distress regardless of how they end up in distress unless we charge all people, not that I think we should charge any people. We are aiding the people on board more so than the people in the boardroom.

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    Re: Should the Carnival Cruise company have to reimburse the US treasury?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    doesn't change my opinion on the subject. We shouldn't be charging to rescue vehicles/people in distress regardless of how they end up in distress unless we charge all people, not that I think we should charge any people. We are aiding the people on board more so than the people in the boardroom.
    Oh for pete's sake. Charge the company. IF you can prove they are negligent about maritime safety and the people under their care. Im not saying make it extra legal---make it legal. Through a court of law with public findings about just exactly how much or little care Carnival is paying to public safety and ship maintenance.

    There are multiple ways to get Carnival to shape up.

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