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    Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    A civil right is defined as such:

    "civil right: right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship including especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th amendments and subsequent acts of Congress including the right to legal and social and economic equality."

    Underlined portion is emphasis added by me. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental freedom and privledge provided to people by reason of citizenship. So would it be something that would be considered a "civil right"?

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A civil right is defined as such:

    "civil right: right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship including especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th amendments and subsequent acts of Congress including the right to legal and social and economic equality."

    Underlined portion is emphasis added by me. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental freedom and privledge provided to people by reason of citizenship. So would it be something that would be considered a "civil right"?
    Yes. Like all other individual rights they end where another's rights begin. The right to keep and bear arms is not a right to use that gun to commit crime. What seems to be happening is that the existance of "access to" a tool (gun) is somehow being equated to an "enabling" factor in crime. All males tend to carry a concealed "rape tool", yet rape is never blamed upon that "tool possession", rape is properly seen as simply a violent behavior problem. With guns, since many feel that they can be "controlled" (like recreational drugs?) that is seen as the "common sense" solution even though, while the number of guns has increased, gun crime has decreased steadily since 1993.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    The Bill of Rights has been defined time-and-again as civil rights and the 2nd Amendment is a part of the Bill of Rights, so it's purdy much a no brainer.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    No.

    Your definition is off a little bit. Civil rights are rights bestowed on a people by their government. The fundamental rights of liberty, life and the enjoyment of the fruits of ones labor can only be taken away by a government and as such are outside the scope of civil rights. Along with these fundamental rights is the right to protect ones self from those who would choose to take away those rights and so we also have a fundamental right to keep and bear arms for that purpose.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A civil right is defined as such:

    "civil right: right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship including especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th amendments and subsequent acts of Congress including the right to legal and social and economic equality."

    Underlined portion is emphasis added by me. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental freedom and privledge provided to people by reason of citizenship. So would it be something that would be considered a "civil right"?
    I would go a little further. The right to keep and bear arms transcends citizenship; it is an inherent right of humanity.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    It is a propaganda gesture to make obedient serfs feel free, and costs their masters no more than a few dead children every so often, plus a sub to the NRA.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    It is a propaganda gesture to make obedient serfs feel free, and costs their masters no more than a few dead children every so often, plus a sub to the NRA.
    What a pile of horse puckey!

    I hear people whine about the NRA and how some are subservient to the NRA's wishes. They have it backwards, the NRA is subservient to the free people of the US and they serve our needs.

    Nothing like a fresh deer or wild hog in the freezer to subsidize our annual meals.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    No.

    Your definition is off a little bit. Civil rights are rights bestowed on a people by their government. The fundamental rights of liberty, life and the enjoyment of the fruits of ones labor can only be taken away by a government and as such are outside the scope of civil rights. Along with these fundamental rights is the right to protect ones self from those who would choose to take away those rights and so we also have a fundamental right to keep and bear arms for that purpose.
    So the 2nd admendment "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." essentially took away the absolute right by stating "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state". That needs to be changed. The 2nd should read "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Correct?

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    So the 2nd admendment "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." essentially took away the absolute right by stating "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state". That needs to be changed. The 2nd should read "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Correct?
    It does say "...the right of the people.."

    If it meant what you suggest it would have said "...the right of the militia.."

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    I'm not sure I would use "civil right." It is a constitutional right and I believe the right to self defense of one's home, family, self, neighbors, communty and country are inherent human and individual rights. - which of course includes the tools necessary to do so.

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