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Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 63.8%

  • No

    Votes: 10 17.2%

  • Other

    Votes: 11 19.0%
  • Total voters
    58
Penderyn said:
Nobody cares twopence about you - it is the children you gunmen murder and help to murder we care about.
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The vast majority of us who own guns have never used them, and never will, to commit any act of violence against another human being.

There is no rational basis for accusing us of murdering children just because we own guns.


Penderyn said:
People don't because we are not brainwashed nutters, you see. Ban guns and arrest gunmen befiore [sic] they kill.
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“Innocent until proven guilty.” Here in the U.S., at least, very, very few of us think that there is any legitimate basis for arresting someone before there's any reason to believe that he has committed a crime. You don't get to arrest someone simply because you think he •might• commit a crime.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
The vast majority of us who own guns have never used them, and never will, to commit any act of violence against another human being.

There is no rational basis for accusing us of murdering children just because we own guns.




“Innocent until proven guilty.” Here in the U.S., at least, very, very few of us think that there is any legitimate basis for arresting someone before there's any reason to believe that he has committed a crime. You don't get to arrest someone simply because you think he •might• commit a crime.
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If people own guns, they either go nuts/get drunk/get angry and use them or leave them around for other nutters to steal and kill, as you know. Take the guns from the cowboys and save the children. No guns, few murders.
 
Penderyn said:
If people own guns, they either go nuts/get drunk/get angry and use them or leave them around for other nutters to steal and kill, as you know.
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What pathetic, inane, uninformed trolling.

Won't even bother trying to disabuse you of your preposterous ignorance.
 
Penderyn said:
If people own guns, they either go nuts/get drunk/get angry and use them or leave them around for other nutters to steal and kill, as you know. Take the guns from the cowboys and save the children. No guns, few murders.
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Yep. We should strive to be more like Mexico and make guns very rare in the hands of all but the gov't and their criminal cartel partners. ;)
 
I voted no - not because I'm anti-2nd Amendment, but because I believe Civil Rights are about deeper things than the choice to own something. Civil Rights are based on gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, et. al. Civil Rights are those rights that make us all equal.

Gun owners, while they have a right to own such property as protected by the Constitution, are not a "class of people". They are people who have chose to take part in the ownership of a certain piece of property.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
I voted no - not because I'm anti-2nd Amendment, but because I believe Civil Rights are about deeper things than the choice to own something. Civil Rights are based on gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, et. al. Civil Rights are those rights that make us all equal.

Gun owners, while they have a right to own such property as protected by the Constitution, are not a "class of people". They are people who have chose to take part in the ownership of a certain piece of property.
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If you think the right to arms is merely about "owning property," then you just don't understand it at all. If you think the right to arms isn't about "equality," then you just don't understand it at all.

The arms themselves are no more the point than the printing press is for freedom of the press.
 
Harshaw said:
What pathetic, inane, uninformed trolling.

Won't even bother trying to disabuse you of your preposterous ignorance.
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I can't comment because left-wing truth is called trolling by others too. I am. however, very far from ignorant, not being American.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep. We should strive to be more like Mexico and make guns very rare in the hands of all but the gov't and their criminal cartel partners. ;)
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Stop consuming the drugs that cause Mexico's problems. But I expect that is trolling! Most things I say are, apparently.
 
Penderyn said:
I am. howevere, very far from ignorant.
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You have never demonstrated this, and if you think the juvenility you typed above is "truth," you prove your preposterous ignorance beyond a doubt.

You're simply trolling.
 
Harshaw said:
You have never demonstrated this, and if you think the juvenility you typed above is "truth," you prove your preposterous ignorance beyond a doubt.

You're simply trolling.
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I'm afraid you're an American. though that is probably a dreadful trolling insult.
 
Penderyn said:
Stop consuming the drugs that cause Mexico's problems. But I expect that is trolling! Most things I say are, apparently.
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I consume no drugs from Mexico yet pay taxation to secure the border and to fight the "war on drugs". I simply point out that it is not guaranteed that restricting guns to the gov't and criminals is always as successful as one might wish it to be.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I consume no drugs from Mexico yet pay taxation to secure the border and to fight the "war on drugs". I simply point out that it is not guaranteed that restricting guns to the gov't and criminals is always as successful as one might wish it to be.
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Why don't you deal with your own problems and not try to answer them by the deaths of others? Guns kill: take 'em away for the killers NOW.
 
Though the right to bear arms is a specified detail unique to America, the right to defend yourself and your property is a universal human right.
 
Penderyn said:
I'm afraid you're an American. though that is probably a dreadful trolling insult.
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Considering you mean it as an insult, yes, it is.

More ignorant trolling.
 
Penderyn said:
It is a propaganda gesture to make obedient serfs feel free, and costs their masters no more than a few dead children every so often, plus a sub to the NRA.
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Coming from a Brit, this is patently hilarious.

Are you being recorded by a CC camera right now by any chance?
 
Harshaw said:
Considering you mean it as an insult, yes, it is.

More ignorant trolling.
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You find being an American offensive? Apply for citizenship elsewhere. How on earth do YOU begin to know what I mean?
 
Gathomas88 said:
Coming from a Brit, this is patently hilarious.

Are you being recorded by a CC camera right now by any chance?
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What is a 'Brit'? I am not allowed to make the sort of comment you deserve, unfortunately, because I am not an American extremist. Everyone else is apparently a 'troll' here.
 
Wore mine out this morning, I love the look on liberal minded people when they see a large handgun on your side
 
Penderyn said:
What is a 'Brit'?
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I think you know full well what I meant by "Brit" you limey wanker. Perhaps you're a Scot? How are the sheep treating you these days?

I am not allowed to make the sort of comment you deserve, unfortunately, because I am not an American extremist. Everyone else is apparently a 'troll' here.
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Passive aggressive non-responses aren't exactly clever, you know.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
I think you know full well what I meant by "Brit" you limey wanker. Perhaps your a Scot? How are the sheep treating you these days?



Passive aggressive non-responses aren't exactly clever, you know.
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Hello - a racist turd! What a pity I am only a British troll and am not allowed to answer.
 
Penderyn said:
Hello - a racist turd! What a pity I am only a British troll and am not allowed to answer.
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Me? Racist against people from the UK?

I should hope not. I'm of partial Irish, English, and Scottish ancestry.

I could be more rightly described as simply being prejudiced against the smug and self-rightous Eurotrash anti-Americanism that pervades the dregs of your culture. You would seem to be a prime example of that exact trend.
 
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Penderyn said:
You find being an American offensive? Apply for citizenship elsewhere. How on earth do YOU begin to know what I mean?
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More childish trolling. We both know what you meant. So does anyone else with half a brain. If you can't even own up to it, you prove you're doing nothing but trolling beyond a doubt.
 
Harshaw said:
More childish trolling. We both know what you meant. So does anyone else with half a brain. If you can't even own up to it, you prove you're doing nothing but trolling beyond a doubt.
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I can't say anything about whether you have half a brain, because I am British, and that is trolling. Heil McCarthy and Censorship!
 
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