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Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 63.8%
  • No

    Votes: 10 17.2%
  • Other

    Votes: 11 19.0%

  • Total voters
    58
Oh, I get it. You're a "Sons of Anarchy" kinda guy whose definition of his sexual abilities is through the size of his gun. You really can't believe what you say, or you're not old enough to have voted more than once.

I'm old enough to hold a PhD in physics. Old enough to be able to examine the dynamics of the system and see the trends and understand the results; to extrapolate accurately to the zero point. Don't try to belittle me just because I disagree with your naive ass.
 
So the government randomly defines someone as X, and it's fine with ya huh? Guess you don't mind all the prearrests that happen before the DNC and GOP conventions these days. The restriction to "free speech zones", I mean these people are dangerous.

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The government will label anything that threatens its power, justly or unjustly, as "terrorists" because it gives them breadth of "law" to do whatever they want to those folk. And ignorant sheep will go about their day thinking it's ok to allow for no defense of the individual, or requiring proof on part of the government beyond the government made and proclaimed definition. I see you are the fan of the Catch-22.

I think the government rules with the type of government the people vote for. Given the insanity of the republican party and the power they gave the office of the president, it's not time to go paranoid now. For over 30 years the republcians put into office those who were taking away our freedoms and lowering our standard of living.

Racism is the charging force on this violence. And your inability to see how and understand how your government works and how YOU control it truly makes you no more than a "Sons of Anarchy" fan who might just be no more than a person who spends hours talking tough on his computer.
 
I'm old enough to hold a PhD in physics. Old enough to be able to examine the dynamics of the system and see the trends and understand the results; to extrapolate accurately to the zero point. Don't try to belittle me just because I disagree with your naive ass.

Also old enough to be reported for suspicion of terrorist involvement, huh? I really question your assertion, Pardon me. but a PHD holds a far greater degree in sanity and ability to discuss with a logical head than you have displayed. You are more the typical "Sons of Anarchy" fan.
 
When they no longer fear the People. When the election cycles are rigged such that only Republocrats can win, when government expands its powers through things such as TSA, the Patriot Act, HLS, etc to infringe upon the rights and liberties of the individual. When defeatists cry out that we shouldn't even fight, that we shouldn't even have the chance of fighting; thus attempting to remove the final check. That is how government becomes unchecked. Are you stupid?



You lost already. Obama won. And the Democrats gained more seats in the house and senate. Sorry to burst your long list of reasons to overtake the government, but you really don't have a let to stand on. The money could NOT buy the elections. But don't discount the stupidity of the right wing and their willingness to tank our economy to stop the "blacks" from getting welfare.

Sorry, but actions of protest are doing a helluva lot more to get this nation turned around than your "Sons of Anarchy" comments are.

Want to get your nation bacK? GET INVOLVED and quit pretending spending weekends with paint ball will help your country grow strong economically.
 
I think the government rules with the type of government the people vote for.

So Saddam was perfectly fine, yes? Because people "voted" for him in massive support. Hahaha. Let's not play dumb. In a free system of political competition there are plenty of ways for the People to control the government. But when the competition is removed, that force is diminished, and if restricted to only two "choices", the force is removed all together. It becomes nothing more than a teeter totter dynamic. Obviously.


Given the insanity of the republican party and the power they gave the office of the president, it's not time to go paranoid now. For over 30 years the republcians put into office those who were taking away our freedoms and lowering our standard of living.

Given the insanity of the Republocrats on whole, now is not the time to sit idly by in our own ignorance and apathy.

Racism is the charging force on this violence. And your inability to see how and understand how your government works and how YOU control it truly makes you no more than a "Sons of Anarchy" fan who might just be no more than a person who spends hours talking tough on his computer.

Violence shall exist so long as animals and organisms do. I understand quite well how the government works, and having studied a bit of history I know where they trend. It may be high time YOU educate yourself. Stupidity has never driven humanity anywhere good.
 
You lost already. Obama won.

George W Bush II did indeed win, though I would call that a loss for us all.

And the Democrats gained more seats in the house and senate. Sorry to burst your long list of reasons to overtake the government, but you really don't have a let to stand on. The money could NOT buy the elections. But don't discount the stupidity of the right wing and their willingness to tank our economy to stop the "blacks" from getting welfare.

Indeed, Republocrat control has certainly been driving down the Republic for quite some time.

Your ridiculously idiotic appeal to racism, however, has been noted.

Sorry, but actions of protest are doing a helluva lot more to get this nation turned around than your "Sons of Anarchy" comments are.

Want to get your nation bacK? GET INVOLVED and quit pretending spending weekends with paint ball will help your country grow strong economically.

And how "turned around" are we getting? We're still in infinity war. Obama is expanding the government, using drones on his own people, GITMO is still open, Patriot Act is going strong, War on Terror, War on Drugs, all still going, Wall Street and the banks still being bailed out at the cost of the People. So what's been turned around? Oh Obama made a give away to insurance companies by guaranteeing through government force full consumerism? Great. G W I did the same thing with Medicade Part D. Not any different. So where's the turn around? Cause I'd love to pull a U-turn.

I am involved, I'm part of the militia.
 
So Saddam was perfectly fine, yes? Because people "voted" for him in massive support. Hahaha. Let's not play dumb. In a free system of political competition there are plenty of ways for the People to control the government. But when the competition is removed, that force is diminished, and if restricted to only two "choices", the force is removed all together. It becomes nothing more than a teeter totter dynamic. Obviously.

Who died and made Bush in charge of Iraq? Oh, that's right. The oil companies. And the democrats are about as far removed from republicans as you can get. Your agenda wants to believe otherwise, but then you don't probably spend a lot of time viewing a lot of sources for information.


Given the insanity of the Republocrats on whole, now is not the time to sit idly by in our own ignorance and apathy.

And violence in your way? Let me ask you this. YOu go against the government and who do you think will win? Who owns the stockpile of chemical and biological weapons? Drity nuclear bombs? Drones? Planes that can "pin point " a target?

Violence shall exist so long as animals and organisms do. I understand quite well how the government works, and having studied a bit of history I know where they trend. It may be high time YOU educate yourself. Stupidity has never driven humanity anywhere good.

Violence ends in violence. Ghandi did NOT raise a hand, and yet he removed the British Government from India forever. Maybe it's you who needs to study a bit more.
 
Violence ends in violence. Ghandi did NOT raise a hand, and yet he removed the British Government from India forever. Maybe it's you who needs to study a bit more.

Yes...when our government is practicing non-violence; let me know. Until then, open a book. How old are you?

Oh, and has Obama done anything to end the infinity wars? Or is he just changing theater? And where is the non-violence of Obama and the Democrats? Where? Indeed corporate capitalism, a hallmark of fascism, has driven much of government policy including war. How has Obama changed that? He's a corporate fascist as well, doing everything to keep up the "good fight". Quote Ghandi all you want. It just shows how ignorant you really are.
 
George W Bush II did indeed win, though I would call that a loss for us all.

Not in 2012. And neither did any republican win the white house in 2004

Indeed, Republocrat control has certainly been driving down the Republic for quite some time.

Your ridiculously idiotic appeal to racism, however, has been noted.

RAcism is the number one reason why the militia groups have increase in number and size. So sayeth the FBI. It's after the 2012 elections and the threats to the President increased. It's not an appeal to racism. IT's the exposure of racism.

And how "turned around" are we getting? We're still in infinity war. Obama is expanding the government, using drones on his own people, GITMO is still open, Patriot Act is going strong, War on Terror, War on Drugs, all still going, Wall Street and the banks still being bailed out at the cost of the People. So what's been turned around? Oh Obama made a give away to insurance companies by guaranteeing through government force full consumerism? Great. G W I did the same thing with Medicade Part D. Not any different. So where's the turn around? Cause I'd love to pull a U-turn.

So, you are just going to let others go on the front line and take on the government through protest, petition, and get mace sprayed in their eyes while you play weekend warrior? We are pushing the government for change. How many letters and phone calls have you made to the government to stop the atrocities? How many democrats or republcians do you campaign for? Because you were obviously quite silent these last 30 years.

I am involved, I'm part of the militia.

You're not involved. You're part of the little boys who like big toys but can't be bothered to actually get involved in changing the government.
 
Yes...when our government is practicing non-violence; let me know. Until then, open a book. How old are you?

Oh, and has Obama done anything to end the infinity wars? Or is he just changing theater? And where is the non-violence of Obama and the Democrats? Where? Indeed corporate capitalism, a hallmark of fascism, has driven much of government policy including war. How has Obama changed that? He's a corporate fascist as well, doing everything to keep up the "good fight". Quote Ghandi all you want. It just shows how ignorant you really are.



Ignorant? Well, Ghandi did what your militia can't do and in a shorter amount of time. Don't like corporations in your government? Protest them. Picket them. Write your senator and congressmen and talk to your family about boycotting them. The government isn't attacking you. They are GLAD you're playing weekend warrior and wont' even blink an eye if you bring your little weapons to them. They are on you like white on rice and KNOW you can't defeat them.
 
You're not involved. You're part of the little boys who like big toys but can't be bothered to actually get involved in changing the government.

Mmm, yes. And what are you doing to change the status quo? Voting for Bush II, voting for our wars, voting for our expansion of government and pretending you're doing something else? I know what little kids do, ignorant of the system they believe they are doing well; but they are puppets and nothing more. So good job.

You're "pushing the government for change"; well it's 2013...y'all had a lot of time. What change do we have? Is Gitmo closed? Is TSA controlled? Have our wars been wound down? Is government spying on its people less? What has changed. Just answer me that question. What has changed.
 
Ignorant? Well, Ghandi did what your militia can't do and in a shorter amount of time. Don't like corporations in your government? Protest them. Picket them. Write your senator and congressmen and talk to your family about boycotting them. The government isn't attacking you. They are GLAD you're playing weekend warrior and wont' even blink an eye if you bring your little weapons to them. They are on you like white on rice and KNOW you can't defeat them.

Ghandi accomplished quite a bit through rather remarkable means; but Ghandi Obama is not. Obama is an aggressive war monger expanding our wars, killing our people, spending our money so his corporate fat cat buddies can get rich off our blood. What's changed?

You're too caught up in the blind partisanship to be able to take stock of the true dynamics.

Oh, and for your uneducated ass.

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Mmm, yes. And what are you doing to change the status quo? Voting for Bush II, voting for our wars, voting for our expansion of government and pretending you're doing something else? I know what little kids do, ignorant of the system they believe they are doing well; but they are puppets and nothing more. So good job.

You're "pushing the government for change"; well it's 2013...y'all had a lot of time. What change do we have? Is Gitmo closed? Is TSA controlled? Have our wars been wound down? Is government spying on its people less? What has changed. Just answer me that question. What has changed.

I'm democrat and Pence is so sad to find me within driving distance to protest him now. We're on a first name basis.

You really think so little of our government. Why are you living here?
 
Ghandi accomplished quite a bit through rather remarkable means; but Ghandi Obama is not. Obama is an aggressive war monger expanding our wars, killing our people, spending our money so his corporate fat cat buddies can get rich off our blood. What's changed?

You're too caught up in the blind partisanship to be able to take stock of the true dynamics.

Oh, and for your uneducated ass.

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How could you possible equate Ghandi with Obama. I'm challenging YOU to use passive resistance. It got the right for blacks to vote. YOu really lack an understanding of history and how our government effects changes. You are not old enough to have this discussion, IMHO.
 
I'm democrat and Pence is so sad to find me within driving distance to protest him now. We're on a first name basis.

You really think so little of our government. Why are you living here?

Because here I have the opportunity to control the government if necessary and to ensure for myself the posterity of freedom and liberty to the People. But I am not surprised by your totalitarian response. Tis oft the response of aristocracy supporters when they have nothing left in their tank. You and NP should get together, you'd be a dynamite duo.

Noticed you didn't answer kid. What has changed.
 
How could you possible equate Ghandi with Obama.

I didn't, you brought it up. I suppose it's because you cannot provide any proof that you've produced anything positive and are just grasping at straws.

I'm challenging YOU to use passive resistance. It got the right for blacks to vote. YOu really lack an understanding of history and how our government effects changes. You are not old enough to have this discussion, IMHO.

I don't have to use passive resistance, and I refuse to be subjugated to your rules. Why do you think you have authority over me? If we're going to do the race thing, it's like you think yourself the Slave Owner.
 
Well, we certainly agree here! :)

The only thing I wonder about is the length of service - but I think that's a matter of if it's full time or part time like the National Guard. I think there has to be some full time for "basic training" (3 months? - and not the same as Army/Marine basic). After that, two years at one weekend a month and 2-3 weeks a year is reasonable.

After 9-11, Both the NG and Army Reserves were subject to the same basic and military occupation training as Army Regulars. The main reason is that so many were deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I found a report that was published by the government in 2008, but it gives a lot of statistics and fundamental information regarding NG and Army Reserves. The report also published the following graph:

ReservesinIraqandAfhganistan2001-2007.jpg


http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22451.pdf

Since 2007, I don't have a clue about the number of reservist who have been deployed, but I think quite a few. Consequently, training protocol, active time, etc is apparently more intense.
 
You really think so little of our government. Why are you living here?

Oh, and just to prove how similar you and Navy Pride are....


Well you live in the wrong country because we have a democratic government here.......You ever consider moving? I am sure Iran North Korea or Cuba would be glad to have you.
 
Not quite true. You have laws..those are the kings in this nation. And killing police violates those laws and negates ANY definition of freedom fighter attached to militia groups.




I haven't killed any police, nor advocated killing them. I used to be one.
 
Cannot be yes or no.
Not any more than vehicle operation , particularly the big commercial rigs, or a "right" to be a brain surgeon....
Its so obvious....
And yet, todays gun scenario is so wrong and our Congressmen are afraid to do anything...
A man does have the right of defense , naturally, and "no-lethal", in most cases is sufficient....and I , like so many, have nothing.....and need nothing.
As opposed to many others, we do have a police force..
 
I'd rather it be under local (State) control and not affiliated with the Fed in any way.
Unless your Guard unit is deployed under Title10, you are under State control.
 
After 9-11, Both the NG and Army Reserves were subject to the same basic and military occupation training as Army Regulars. The main reason is that so many were deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I found a report that was published by the government in 2008, but it gives a lot of statistics and fundamental information regarding NG and Army Reserves. The report also published the following graph:

ReservesinIraqandAfhganistan2001-2007.jpg


http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22451.pdf

Since 2007, I don't have a clue about the number of reservist who have been deployed, but I think quite a few. Consequently, training protocol, active time, etc is apparently more intense.
Not sure what that has to do with ... oh, you think I meant (3 months) basic like the National Guard? I didn't mean that at all. I was talking about the "usual" part-time service in the National Guard, which used to be one weekend a month and two (consecutive) weeks a year.

Showing how those units were used in foreign wars is exactly why I don't want the forced militia to be under Fed control. They should be under state control to defend the state as the last line of defense. For us (MO) that could even mean, for example, reinforcing New Orleans to prevent access to the Mississippi River.
 
They are not legal organizations when they want to take out the government.
The militia is part of the government, not an anti-government entity; and the right to arms isn't conditional upon militia duty anyway.

Any para-military unit acting against the government is an enemy combatant, if not a terrorist (the terms "enemy combatant" and "terrorist" have precise legal definitions and mean specific things), not a valid militia.

The purpose of the militia is not to engage in warfare against the US government. The purpose of the militia is to quell rebellion, put down insurrection, and repel foreign invasion. The purpose, therefore, in having an armed citizenry is so that we do not have a standing Army or Guard of any significant size, yet retain an armed force capable of performing these tasks as necessary for the security of the free state.
 
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Unless your Guard unit is deployed under Title10, you are under State control.
I don't think there should be any possibility of Fed interference. The local militia should be exactly that, local - and for defense only.
 
Not sure what that has to do with ... oh, you think I meant (3 months) basic like the National Guard? I didn't mean that at all. I was talking about the "usual" part-time service in the National Guard, which used to be one weekend a month and two (consecutive) weeks a year.

Showing how those units were used in foreign wars is exactly why I don't want the forced militia to be under Fed control. They should be under state control to defend the state as the last line of defense. For us (MO) that could even mean, for example, reinforcing New Orleans to prevent access to the Mississippi River.

I see...gotcha.
 
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