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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Biased source. Try again.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We're already part of the unorganized militia. This is how we can be drafted, because we're already affiliated with the military by default...the state can just 'call us up'. They're not enslaving a free man, they're activating a militiaman. The very purpose of the Selective Service is to record exactly who is in the unorganized militia should they need to be activated.

    I've long been of the opinion that a 2-year term or service should be mandatory for everyone upon turning 18, because when you turn 18 you become part of the militia whether you like it or not. This is forced on you like taxes, so IMO just roll with it, use it to your advantage. Even if you choose not to continue to serve in the military, you are still in the militia and so you should have some base-level training to accompany it. You could be summarily deputized during a natural disaster before relief comes. You could be part of a neighborhood watch, etc. These civil duties would be greatly served by basic military training.

    Militias were called up to quell union riots in the steel industry (which is why the left doesn't like the 2A) and were called up in CA, OR, and WA during WW2.
    Well, we certainly agree here!

    The only thing I wonder about is the length of service - but I think that's a matter of if it's full time or part time like the National Guard. I think there has to be some full time for "basic training" (3 months? - and not the same as Army/Marine basic). After that, two years at one weekend a month and 2-3 weeks a year is reasonable.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    In point of fact, Randy Weaver was pressured by the ATF to act as an undercover informant, and to make a deliberate effort on their behalf to sell illegal weapons to a skin-head-type group so the ATF could bust them. When Weaver decided the risk involved in doing this was more than he was prepared to put his family though, they retreated to their cabin, where they were needlessly assaulted by government agents who behaved in an appallingly jack-boot-thug manner resulting in the deaths of a child and an unarmed woman. Facts.


    I know it is hard, but try to keep up here.


    Well, you're right about Weaver. But that doesn't give a green light to the civilian militia in this nation.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Biased source. Try again.
    Prove this source's information is wrong first.
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Well, we certainly agree here!

    The only thing I wonder about is the length of service - but I think that's a matter of if it's full time or part time like the National Guard. I think there has to be some full time for "basic training" (3 months? - and not the same as Army/Marine basic). After that, two years at one weekend a month and 2-3 weeks a year is reasonable.
    I was thinking a couple years in a reserve Guard unit. It's not a chunk out of your life unless you get deployed.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Prove this source's information is wrong first.
    Use an unbiased source first. I linked to current US law. It will take much more than an opinion piece to debase that.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    With one big exception. TODAY"S militia are domestic terrorists whose activities are subversive and dangerous to our society.
    Only because you think that way, it's dangerous maybe to your status quo possibly, maybe, under certain situations. But "subversive and dangerous to our society"? Hell, freedom is subversive and dangerous to our society, but I'd rather be free. So I guess in a free Republic there is a certain amount of subversive danger which must be accepted and shouldered.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Well, you're right about Weaver. But that doesn't give a green light to the civilian militia in this nation.
    Civilian militia doesn't need your green light. Who died and made you King anyway?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yes, the ATF/etc people who framed Randy Weaver and then killed his wife and son ARE insane thugs who should not have military weapons.


    Unfortunately, they work for the government.
    And that's the true danger. Not some patriots pledging themselves to the defense of freedom, but the unchecked power of the government. There is no greater "terrorist" force.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I was thinking a couple years in a reserve Guard unit. It's not a chunk out of your life unless you get deployed.
    I'd rather it be under local (State) control and not affiliated with the Fed in any way. In fact, I'd like to see county seats and large cities keep their militia members close for exercises instead of being moved halfway across the state. (Though basic could be done anywhere and a little bit of all terrains should be taught there.) Defending farm country is a much different game than defending suburbia, which is different than defending a city. The militia should be trained for local terrain.
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