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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then why did you even mention that pulling a knife on someone was a lethal attack? Or are you going to deny saying that, too? A knife is a lethal weapon as are many, many, many other things that are not guns. Even a hammer, which every carpenter carries around as a matter of course, can be considered a lethal weapon.


    He said: OK, where did HE say the other guy was armed with a knife or armed with anything at all??? "Assault" is NOT a lethal attack. Man, I wish you guys would get your facts straight.


    Yes, I checked Missouri law (as I said I would) and as of 2007 rape is a forcible felony and can be met with deadly force. Of course, that doesn't mean you actually have to kill them but if you do you're "covered". I have no doubt people like you only shoot to kill.
    I have no idea what you're talking about, and apparently neither do you.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A civil right is defined as such:

    "civil right: right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship including especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th amendments and subsequent acts of Congress including the right to legal and social and economic equality."

    Underlined portion is emphasis added by me. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental freedom and privledge provided to people by reason of citizenship. So would it be something that would be considered a "civil right"?
    It's a right for a militia to do so.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    It's a fundamental, directly relating to life, liberty and property.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by dnsmith View Post
    One does not have to be a vigilante to self defense and it does not take a weapon in the hands of the attacker to defend oneself with a firearm. In any physical attack it can reasonably be assumed the provocateur is armed even if a weapon is not immediately noticeable.
    Don't bother coming to Missouri, then, you'll only get thrown in jail.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A civil right is defined as such:

    "civil right: right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship including especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th amendments and subsequent acts of Congress including the right to legal and social and economic equality."

    Underlined portion is emphasis added by me. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental freedom and privledge provided to people by reason of citizenship. So would it be something that would be considered a "civil right"?

    I voted Yes, but to expand on that, I actually believe that the right to bear arms is a fundamental human right, based on Reason and Reality, which predates the Constitution and concepts of citizenship.

    Quite simply, a person with access to personal arms comparable to those in anyone else's possession is more secure in his person and property and liberty, than one whose access to arms is unduly restricted or removed. I consider this fundamental to the human condition, therefore a "natural right" that by logic and reason all free persons ought to enjoy without a damn good reason why they cannot.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    You know the more I ponder this subject the angrier I get. Who has the gall and what kind of weak will does someone have to have to tell another person they can't acquire the means of defending themselves, their family, and property, and the other person not only happily going along with it, but actually demanding that it take place?!?!?

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wrong in the states/. If someone jumps you on the street and starts hitting you you can shoot them. I know-I did
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    of course you don't-I proved you wrong and rather admit that an attorney in the USA knows more about the law than you do you'd rather spew something which you have no basis to believe is true. Its SOP with gun haters. Dishonesty and disinformation is the gun banners' stock in trade.
    The laws in Ohio must be a whole lot different than Missouri, then.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    It's a right for a militia to do so.
    Great, then since everyone is in the Militia, we can buy machine guns.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Great, then since everyone is in the Militia, we can buy machine guns.
    Nobody is in the militia. It was disband after we won the Revolutionary war.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Nobody is in the militia. It was disband after we won the Revolutionary war.
    USC › Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part I › Chapter 13 › 311

    (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
    (b) The classes of the militia are
    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
    (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
    We're already part of the unorganized militia. This is how we can be drafted, because we're already affiliated with the military by default...the state can just 'call us up'. They're not enslaving a free man, they're activating a militiaman. The very purpose of the Selective Service is to record exactly who is in the unorganized militia should they need to be activated.

    I've long been of the opinion that a 2-year term or service should be mandatory for everyone upon turning 18, because when you turn 18 you become part of the militia whether you like it or not. This is forced on you like taxes, so IMO just roll with it, use it to your advantage. Even if you choose not to continue to serve in the military, you are still in the militia and so you should have some base-level training to accompany it. You could be summarily deputized during a natural disaster before relief comes. You could be part of a neighborhood watch, etc. These civil duties would be greatly served by basic military training.

    Militias were called up to quell union riots in the steel industry (which is why the left doesn't like the 2A) and were called up in CA, OR, and WA during WW2.

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