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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Where did I say the other guy needed a gun for it to be a lethal attack??
    Where did I say you said that? I didn't. The exchange was:

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    You do the best you can with what you've got. If you're overly concerned about personal protection I suggest martial arts classes. It also has the side benefit of keeping you physically active.
    Wrong. There is no second place when you or your family are the victim of an assault. You need to be able to kill your attacker.
    Now you're being a vigilante: on-the-spot judge, jury, and executioner.

    If it's not a lethal assault then, as far as I'm concerned, you're a murderer.
    In context of the OP and the thread topic, rape is a "forcible felony" and you can shoot someone for attempting it.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Is that Florida thing still being hashed out? Man, I would have thought that was long over by now. I guess it's gonna' be like the OJ trial, publicized until after it's long dead. In the Florida case, though, the publicity may be a good thing. America shouldn't be a country of vigilantes. If we're going that way, we may as well just throw the law books out the window.
    One does not have to be a vigilante to self defense and it does not take a weapon in the hands of the attacker to defend oneself with a firearm. In any physical attack it can reasonably be assumed the provocateur is armed even if a weapon is not immediately noticeable.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    For those who have answered "No, it's [some other sort of right/privledge/thing]" a question for you all....

    Do you think that [right/privledge/thinkg] is something that would be MORE or LESS important than a Civil Right?

    IE, for those saying it's a "fundamental right". Are you suggesting that Fundamental Rights are even greater, or require even more protection, than a Civil Right would? Are you suggesting they need the same amount in general, but are different? Or are you suggesting a Fundamental right needs less protection?

    (I imagine I know the answer, but figure it's better to ask for clarification)
    In my opinnion fundamental and inalienable rights are stronger than legally granted civil rights. The former is always there and the latter depends on laws.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by dnsmith View Post
    One does not have to be a vigilante to self defense and it does not take a weapon in the hands of the attacker to defend oneself with a firearm. In any physical attack it can reasonably be assumed the provocateur is armed even if a weapon is not immediately noticeable.
    You can reasonably meet force with force. If he has only fists, it's unreasonable to assume a weapon not in evidence, and shoot him. That's manslaughter at a minimum.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    You can reasonably meet force with force. If he has only fists, it's unreasonable to assume a weapon not in evidence, and shoot him. That's manslaughter at a minimum.
    wrong in the states/. If someone jumps you on the street and starts hitting you you can shoot them. I know-I did



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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wrong in the states/. If someone jumps you on the street and starts hitting you you can shoot them. I know-I did
    I don't believe it. Dubious source.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    I don't believe it. Dubious source.
    of course you don't-I proved you wrong and rather admit that an attorney in the USA knows more about the law than you do you'd rather spew something which you have no basis to believe is true. Its SOP with gun haters. Dishonesty and disinformation is the gun banners' stock in trade.



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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    For those who have answered "No, it's [some other sort of right/privledge/thing]" a question for you all....

    Do you think that [right/privledge/thinkg] is something that would be MORE or LESS important than a Civil Right?
    I consider civil rights to be more important than human rights because civil rights are something my government holds to apply to me and my fellow citizens. Human rights are universal rules for aliens. I don't care what happens to aliens.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by dnsmith View Post
    If someone walks up to me on the street and punches me and I fear for my life I do have the right to kill him in self defense and I can assure you except in a few left wing nut states I will never be arrested.
    There's nothing "left-wing nut" about Missouri. You can't just say "I feared for my life" - you have to show that any reasonable person would think the same thing and an unarmed man punching you doesn't pass muster.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Where did I say you said that? I didn't. The exchange was:
    Then why did you even mention that pulling a knife on someone was a lethal attack? Or are you going to deny saying that, too? A knife is a lethal weapon as are many, many, many other things that are not guns. Even a hammer, which every carpenter carries around as a matter of course, can be considered a lethal weapon.

    Yes, he said:
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Wrong. There is no second place when you or your family are the victim of an assault. You need to be able to kill your attacker.
    OK, where did HE say the other guy was armed with a knife or armed with anything at all??? "Assault" is NOT a lethal attack. Man, I wish you guys would get your facts straight and quite trying to change the scenario to fit your views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In context of the OP and the thread topic, rape is a "forcible felony" and you can shoot someone for attempting it.
    Yes, I checked Missouri law (as I said I would) and as of 2007 rape is a forcible felony and can be met with deadly force. Of course, that doesn't mean you actually have to kill them but if you do you're "covered". I have no doubt people like you only shoot to kill. Others feel differently.
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