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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    The Supreme Court ruled...that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po...otus.html?_r=0
    No, the law is what protects us. Enforcement, the threat of reprimand for breaking the law, is what gives the law teeth. If the law wasn't enforced it would be useless.

    Obviously the police can't arrest someone before they think a law has been broken - but a cop can sure as hell break up a fight or shoot someone pointing a gun at someone else. In both cases the law seems to have been broken, so enforcement kicks in.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    ...and if a cop isn't there to protect you...what then?
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    ...and if a cop isn't there to protect you...what then?
    You do the best you can with what you've got. If you're overly concerned about personal protection I suggest martial arts classes. It also has the side benefit of keeping you physically active.


    But that doesn't change my views on guns. Personally, I would drop control and regulation of guns, drugs, prostitution (any form of consensual sex, really), and virtually everything else that has no direct victim. Victimless crimes are stupid. Fix the diseases, not the symptoms.



    BTW - The cops aren't there to protect you, they're there to enforce the law.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You do the best you can with what you've got. If you're overly concerned about personal protection I suggest martial arts classes. It also has the side benefit of keeping you physically active.

    Wrong. There is no second place when you or your family are the victim of an assault. You need to be able to kill your attacker.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Wrong. There is no second place when you or your family are the victim of an assault. You need to be able to kill your attacker.
    Now you're being a vigilante: on-the-spot judge, jury, and executioner.


    If it's not a lethal assault then, as far as I'm concerned, you're a murderer.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You are wrong, you don't need to be a citizen to be protected by the Bill or Rights. All you need to be is a live human being.


    What Are Civil Rights? - FindLaw

    "Civil rights" are the rights of individuals to receive equal treatment (and to be free from unfair treatment or "discrimination") in a number of settings -- including education, employment, housing, and more -- and based on certain legally-protected characteristics.

    Historically, the "Civil Rights Movement" referred to efforts toward achieving true equality for African-Americans in all facets of society, but today the term "civil rights" is also used to describe the advancement of equality for all people regardless of race, sex, age, disability, national origin, religion, or certain other characteristics.

    Where Do Civil Rights Come From?

    Most laws guaranteeing and regulating civil rights originate at the federal level, either through federal legislation, or through federal court decisions (such as those handed down by the U.S. Supreme Court). States also pass their own civil rights laws (usually very similar to those at the federal level), and even municipalities like cities and counties can enact ordinances and laws related to civil rights.

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    Okay, then use your own definition. Is it a civil right?

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    As you've defined it I would have to say no. It is an inherent right. It is your right to self preservation which is yours regardless of citizenship status

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A civil right is defined as such:

    "civil right: right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship including especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th amendments and subsequent acts of Congress including the right to legal and social and economic equality."

    Underlined portion is emphasis added by me. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental freedom and privledge provided to people by reason of citizenship. So would it be something that would be considered a "civil right"?
    No. The right to bear arms is a basic human right everyone on the entire planet possesses, identical to the right to breath.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    No it is not. It is a civil liberty... or in other words, a fundamental freedom that allows us as people to defend what we hold dear when the government cannot do it for us. Hence, it being the 2ND most important amendment.
    I am not sure the 2nd amendment is second to the 1st as the 2nd protects our 1st amendment rights.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Now you're being a vigilante: on-the-spot judge, jury, and executioner. If it's not a lethal assault then, as far as I'm concerned, you're a murderer.
    Thank God you are not the one who interprets the law as it can be presumed if some one breaks into your home it is reasonable, and it most cases legal to kill him on the spot. Presumption of bodily harm is determined by the attack even if the attacker had no intention of bodily harm it can be presumed to be justified.

    Just as one is not required to lift a tiger's tail to determine sex before killing it, one does not have to wait until it APPEARS to be a life threatening attack.
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