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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Hey, here's a crazy thought, the threads not about the NRA...could we perhaps not attempt to have it transition into a debate about that organization rather than the actual topic?

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A civil right is defined as such:

    "civil right: right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship including especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th amendments and subsequent acts of Congress including the right to legal and social and economic equality."

    Underlined portion is emphasis added by me. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental freedom and privledge provided to people by reason of citizenship. So would it be something that would be considered a "civil right"?
    You are wrong, you don't need to be a citizen to be protected by the Bill or Rights. All you need to be is a live human being.


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    "Civil rights" are the rights of individuals to receive equal treatment (and to be free from unfair treatment or "discrimination") in a number of settings -- including education, employment, housing, and more -- and based on certain legally-protected characteristics.

    Historically, the "Civil Rights Movement" referred to efforts toward achieving true equality for African-Americans in all facets of society, but today the term "civil rights" is also used to describe the advancement of equality for all people regardless of race, sex, age, disability, national origin, religion, or certain other characteristics.

    Where Do Civil Rights Come From?

    Most laws guaranteeing and regulating civil rights originate at the federal level, either through federal legislation, or through federal court decisions (such as those handed down by the U.S. Supreme Court). States also pass their own civil rights laws (usually very similar to those at the federal level), and even municipalities like cities and counties can enact ordinances and laws related to civil rights.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    It is a propaganda gesture to make obedient serfs feel free, and costs their masters no more than a few dead children every so often, plus a sub to the NRA.
    This from an “obedient serf” in a land where nearly all people are serfs and subjects, and who has no idea what it means to be a true citizen, as we are over here.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    So the 2nd admendment "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." essentially took away the absolute right by stating "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state". That needs to be changed. The 2nd should read "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Correct?
    Wrong! Both the right of the people to keep and bear arms AND a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state. The USSC has already interpreted both clauses as being separate and inalienable.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    So you also think the 2nd should be changed to "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Correct?
    No change needed. We need an organized militia AND we have the right as individuals to keep and bear arms.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    So you are giving everyone if in their judgement they need a tank or a premptive strike they should be able to do it?
    Horse manure!

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    The right to life is unquestionably a civil right. Without it, one cannot be considered "free" in any meaningful sense. It then logically follows that the right of self-defense is directly tied to the right to life. In order to defend oneself, you must be allowed to use those tools that will stop attacks on the self. Therefore, the right to bear arms is inextricably tied to the right to life.
    That doesn't necessarily follow. We as a people accept the law and government enforcement of same to protect us from each other. This isn't a land of vigilantes, it's a land of law and order.



    But don't get me wrong: I don't believe in any kind of gun control or regulation - just not for the reason you posted.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A civil right is defined as such:

    "civil right: right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship including especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th amendments and subsequent acts of Congress including the right to legal and social and economic equality."

    Underlined portion is emphasis added by me. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental freedom and privledge provided to people by reason of citizenship. So would it be something that would be considered a "civil right"?
    Does that mean it's illegal for a UK citizen to come over here, buy a deer rifle and deer license, then go hunting?
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    We as a people accept the law and government enforcement of same to protect us from each other.
    The Supreme Court ruled...that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A civil right is defined as such:

    "civil right: right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship including especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th amendments and subsequent acts of Congress including the right to legal and social and economic equality."

    Underlined portion is emphasis added by me. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental freedom and privledge provided to people by reason of citizenship. So would it be something that would be considered a "civil right"?
    No it is not. It is a civil liberty... or in other words, a fundamental freedom that allows us as people to defend what we hold dear when the government cannot do it for us. Hence, it being the 2ND most important amendment.
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