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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    This from an “obedient serf” in a land where nearly all people are serfs and subjects, and who has no idea what it means to be a true citizen, as we are over here.
    Apart from your undoubted ability to murder children and discriminate on grounds of 'race', name me one way in which you peasants are free that we aren't. Your Eighteenth Century drivel is getting smelly and mouldy as your masters reduce your standard of living, serf.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Apart from your undoubted ability to murder children and discriminate on grounds of 'race', name me one way in which you peasants are free that we aren't. Your Eighteenth Century drivel is getting smelly and mouldy as your masters reduce your standard of living, serf.
    you seem rather bitter. guess what-we are Americans, we really don't care about the Aesop Fox syndrome from across the pond



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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A civil right is defined as such:

    "civil right: right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship including especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th amendments and subsequent acts of Congress including the right to legal and social and economic equality."

    Underlined portion is emphasis added by me. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental freedom and privledge provided to people by reason of citizenship. So would it be something that would be considered a "civil right"?
    The right to own firearms is not merely a right by virtue of citizenship, it is a human right.

    Incidentally, you are using the phrase "keep and bear arms" ahistorically. Similar to the phrase "hue and cry," leep and bear arms" was originally a legal term of art that applied to military service, and does not relate to the right of an individual to own and use weapons. The right to "keep and bear arms," as it was originally meant by the Framers, is an obsolete notion that has been superseded by the fundamental right of gun ownership by all people when the second amendment was changed by the Supreme Court in Heller.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Apart from your undoubted ability to murder children and discriminate on grounds of 'race', name me one way in which you peasants are free that we aren't. Your Eighteenth Century drivel is getting smelly and mouldy as your masters reduce your standard of living, serf.
    Are you saying bombs couldn't be assembled and transported into schools in the UK?!? LOL! You should know better than that. Yes, we have our issue with violence but guns don't really make it worse and they sure aren't the problem.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A civil right is defined as such:

    "civil right: right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship including especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th amendments and subsequent acts of Congress including the right to legal and social and economic equality."

    Underlined portion is emphasis added by me. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental freedom and privledge provided to people by reason of citizenship. So would it be something that would be considered a "civil right"?
    No, I consider it a human right not a civil right. Some countries protect this right and others don't, but it is a fundamental human right.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The right to own firearms is not merely a right by virtue of citizenship, it is a human right.

    Incidentally, you are using the phrase "keep and bear arms" ahistorically. Similar to the phrase "hue and cry," leep and bear arms" was originally a legal term of art that applied to military service, and does not relate to the right of an individual to own and use weapons. The right to "keep and bear arms," as it was originally meant by the Framers, is an obsolete notion that has been superseded by the fundamental right of gun ownership by all people when the second amendment was changed by the Supreme Court in Heller.
    completely wrong. the right of citizens to keep and bear arms was presumed to be an inalienable right with military service not a requirement for that right to vest



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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you seem rather bitter. guess what-we are Americans, we really don't care about the Aesop Fox syndrome from across the pond
    Nobody cares twopence about you - it is the children you gunmen murder and help to murder we care about.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Are you saying bombs couldn't be assembled and transported into schools in the UK?!? LOL! You should know better than that. Yes, we have our issue with violence but guns don't really make it worse and they sure aren't the problem.
    People don't because we are not brainwashed nutters, you see. Ban guns and arrest gunmen befiore they kill.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Nobody cares twopence about you - it is the children you gunmen murder and help to murder we care about.
    typical gun hater silliness. lumping law abiding gun owners with criminals. In reality, its the mentality of the victim disarmament nuts who cause children to be killed and indeed, gun haters often look forward to such massacres in order to use the deaths to advance their nefarious agendas



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