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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well, there is. It's actually illegal to send a state Guard unit to a foreign country to engage in offensive warfare, because a Governor does not have the authority to attack a country. So what happens now, and you can thank Vietnam for this, is when you enlist in your state Guard, you also simultaneously enlist in The National Guard Of The United States, a Federal outfit answering to the President.

    Today most of our forces in Afghanistan are Guard units, but that doesn't keep the other branches from talking **** anyway.
    I wasn't disagreeing with what you had said.

    I simply said a militia - NOT the NG - shouldn't be under any Fed control at all. I don't think the Fed should have any say in how forced state militias, if we go that route, are deployed. The Fed should be able to request but not coerce.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    It's a right for a militia to do so.
    no.. it's a right of the people to do so.

    a well regulated militia, necessary to a free state ...is the enumerated reason the federal government is forbidden from infringing on the right of the people to keep an bear arms.

    you posses a fundamental misunderstanding of the 2nd amendment, the English language, and the US Constitution.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's a big reason why I want people to be forced to belong to the Guard...so that if you don't want to personally visit a foreign war, maybe you'll stop voting in people who take us to them.
    That wasn't what I had in mind at all, then. I don't want the forced state militia to be part of the National Guard.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That wasn't what I had in mind at all, then. I don't want the forced state militia to be part of the National Guard.
    The state guard is not part of the federal Guard...it IS the federal Guard.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The state guard is not part of the federal Guard...it IS the federal Guard.
    I didn't say "state guard", I said "state militia", meaning a militia where participation is mandatory and that currently does not exist. I have no wish to see people forced to join the National Guard, since they can be forced into service for the Fed and, at least here, often not kept local for training. I don't know how much more plain I can be.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    It's a right for a militia to do so.
    The Second Amendment does not say anything about a “right of the militia”. What it affirms is the “right of the people”.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Your "militia" now is just a bunch of racists…
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Oh, I get it. You're a "Sons of Anarchy" kinda guy whose definition of his sexual abilities is through the size of his gun.
    There ought to be some recognized principle in gun control discussions, somewhat akin to Godwin's Law, which holds that when a hoplophobe resorts to projecting his own real or perceived sexual inadequacies in this manner against those who support the right to keep and bear arms, that this is an admission that the debate is over and that the hoplophobe has lost.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A civil right is defined as such:

    "civil right: right or rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship including especially the fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th amendments and subsequent acts of Congress including the right to legal and social and economic equality."

    Underlined portion is emphasis added by me. The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental freedom and privledge provided to people by reason of citizenship. So would it be something that would be considered a "civil right"?
    I think it could also be argued that it's an extension of the human right to life.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by dnsmith View Post
    What a pile of horse puckey!

    I hear people whine about the NRA and how some are subservient to the NRA's wishes. They have it backwards, the NRA is subservient to the free people of the US and they serve our needs.

    Nothing like a fresh deer or wild hog in the freezer to subsidize our annual meals.
    Or a roasted schoolchild, I suppose. By their fruits shall ye know them. Peoples without the NRA have immensely fewer murders, lie as the gunmen may.

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