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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'd rather it be under local (State) control and not affiliated with the Fed in any way.
    Unless your Guard unit is deployed under Title10, you are under State control.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    After 9-11, Both the NG and Army Reserves were subject to the same basic and military occupation training as Army Regulars. The main reason is that so many were deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I found a report that was published by the government in 2008, but it gives a lot of statistics and fundamental information regarding NG and Army Reserves. The report also published the following graph:



    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22451.pdf

    Since 2007, I don't have a clue about the number of reservist who have been deployed, but I think quite a few. Consequently, training protocol, active time, etc is apparently more intense.
    Not sure what that has to do with ... oh, you think I meant (3 months) basic like the National Guard? I didn't mean that at all. I was talking about the "usual" part-time service in the National Guard, which used to be one weekend a month and two (consecutive) weeks a year.

    Showing how those units were used in foreign wars is exactly why I don't want the forced militia to be under Fed control. They should be under state control to defend the state as the last line of defense. For us (MO) that could even mean, for example, reinforcing New Orleans to prevent access to the Mississippi River.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    They are not legal organizations when they want to take out the government.
    The militia is part of the government, not an anti-government entity; and the right to arms isn't conditional upon militia duty anyway.

    Any para-military unit acting against the government is an enemy combatant, if not a terrorist (the terms "enemy combatant" and "terrorist" have precise legal definitions and mean specific things), not a valid militia.

    The purpose of the militia is not to engage in warfare against the US government. The purpose of the militia is to quell rebellion, put down insurrection, and repel foreign invasion. The purpose, therefore, in having an armed citizenry is so that we do not have a standing Army or Guard of any significant size, yet retain an armed force capable of performing these tasks as necessary for the security of the free state.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Unless your Guard unit is deployed under Title10, you are under State control.
    I don't think there should be any possibility of Fed interference. The local militia should be exactly that, local - and for defense only.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Not sure what that has to do with ... oh, you think I meant (3 months) basic like the National Guard? I didn't mean that at all. I was talking about the "usual" part-time service in the National Guard, which used to be one weekend a month and two (consecutive) weeks a year.

    Showing how those units were used in foreign wars is exactly why I don't want the forced militia to be under Fed control. They should be under state control to defend the state as the last line of defense. For us (MO) that could even mean, for example, reinforcing New Orleans to prevent access to the Mississippi River.
    I see...gotcha.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't think there should be any possibility of Fed interference. The local militia should be exactly that, local - and for defense only.
    Well, there is. It's actually illegal to send a state Guard unit to a foreign country to engage in offensive warfare, because a Governor does not have the authority to attack a country. So what happens now, and you can thank Vietnam for this, is when you enlist in your state Guard, you also simultaneously enlist in The National Guard Of The United States, a Federal outfit answering to the President.

    Today most of our forces in Afghanistan are Guard units, but that doesn't keep the other branches from talking **** anyway.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    I accept the criticism that the unorganized militia has only the training individual people seek out for themselves. That's why I support mandatory service. You at least have that initial training, and if the militia is called up you will have that to fall back on.

    No, a militia unit is not as effective as an Army. That's the point. You don't want a full-time Army hanging around...they tend to start doing exactly what they're trained to do. Even in the event of foreign invasion by a regular army of another nation, the militia is not the primary defensive force. The militia is used to harass the enemy, to slow them down and divide them. You still need the Guard to be the backbone.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's a fundamental, directly relating to life, liberty and property.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Showing how those units were used in foreign wars is exactly why I don't want the forced militia to be under Fed control.
    That's a big reason why I want people to be forced to belong to the Guard...so that if you don't want to personally visit a foreign war, maybe you'll stop voting in people who take us to them.

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