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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    You're not involved. You're part of the little boys who like big toys but can't be bothered to actually get involved in changing the government.
    Mmm, yes. And what are you doing to change the status quo? Voting for Bush II, voting for our wars, voting for our expansion of government and pretending you're doing something else? I know what little kids do, ignorant of the system they believe they are doing well; but they are puppets and nothing more. So good job.

    You're "pushing the government for change"; well it's 2013...y'all had a lot of time. What change do we have? Is Gitmo closed? Is TSA controlled? Have our wars been wound down? Is government spying on its people less? What has changed. Just answer me that question. What has changed.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Ignorant? Well, Ghandi did what your militia can't do and in a shorter amount of time. Don't like corporations in your government? Protest them. Picket them. Write your senator and congressmen and talk to your family about boycotting them. The government isn't attacking you. They are GLAD you're playing weekend warrior and wont' even blink an eye if you bring your little weapons to them. They are on you like white on rice and KNOW you can't defeat them.
    Ghandi accomplished quite a bit through rather remarkable means; but Ghandi Obama is not. Obama is an aggressive war monger expanding our wars, killing our people, spending our money so his corporate fat cat buddies can get rich off our blood. What's changed?

    You're too caught up in the blind partisanship to be able to take stock of the true dynamics.

    Oh, and for your uneducated ass.

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    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Mmm, yes. And what are you doing to change the status quo? Voting for Bush II, voting for our wars, voting for our expansion of government and pretending you're doing something else? I know what little kids do, ignorant of the system they believe they are doing well; but they are puppets and nothing more. So good job.

    You're "pushing the government for change"; well it's 2013...y'all had a lot of time. What change do we have? Is Gitmo closed? Is TSA controlled? Have our wars been wound down? Is government spying on its people less? What has changed. Just answer me that question. What has changed.
    I'm democrat and Pence is so sad to find me within driving distance to protest him now. We're on a first name basis.

    You really think so little of our government. Why are you living here?
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ghandi accomplished quite a bit through rather remarkable means; but Ghandi Obama is not. Obama is an aggressive war monger expanding our wars, killing our people, spending our money so his corporate fat cat buddies can get rich off our blood. What's changed?

    You're too caught up in the blind partisanship to be able to take stock of the true dynamics.

    Oh, and for your uneducated ass.

    Is the right to bear arms a civil right?-gandhi-jpg
    How could you possible equate Ghandi with Obama. I'm challenging YOU to use passive resistance. It got the right for blacks to vote. YOu really lack an understanding of history and how our government effects changes. You are not old enough to have this discussion, IMHO.
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    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I'm democrat and Pence is so sad to find me within driving distance to protest him now. We're on a first name basis.

    You really think so little of our government. Why are you living here?
    Because here I have the opportunity to control the government if necessary and to ensure for myself the posterity of freedom and liberty to the People. But I am not surprised by your totalitarian response. Tis oft the response of aristocracy supporters when they have nothing left in their tank. You and NP should get together, you'd be a dynamite duo.

    Noticed you didn't answer kid. What has changed.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    How could you possible equate Ghandi with Obama.
    I didn't, you brought it up. I suppose it's because you cannot provide any proof that you've produced anything positive and are just grasping at straws.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I'm challenging YOU to use passive resistance. It got the right for blacks to vote. YOu really lack an understanding of history and how our government effects changes. You are not old enough to have this discussion, IMHO.
    I don't have to use passive resistance, and I refuse to be subjugated to your rules. Why do you think you have authority over me? If we're going to do the race thing, it's like you think yourself the Slave Owner.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Well, we certainly agree here!

    The only thing I wonder about is the length of service - but I think that's a matter of if it's full time or part time like the National Guard. I think there has to be some full time for "basic training" (3 months? - and not the same as Army/Marine basic). After that, two years at one weekend a month and 2-3 weeks a year is reasonable.
    After 9-11, Both the NG and Army Reserves were subject to the same basic and military occupation training as Army Regulars. The main reason is that so many were deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I found a report that was published by the government in 2008, but it gives a lot of statistics and fundamental information regarding NG and Army Reserves. The report also published the following graph:



    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22451.pdf

    Since 2007, I don't have a clue about the number of reservist who have been deployed, but I think quite a few. Consequently, training protocol, active time, etc is apparently more intense.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    You really think so little of our government. Why are you living here?
    Oh, and just to prove how similar you and Navy Pride are....


    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well you live in the wrong country because we have a democratic government here.......You ever consider moving? I am sure Iran North Korea or Cuba would be glad to have you.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Not quite true. You have laws..those are the kings in this nation. And killing police violates those laws and negates ANY definition of freedom fighter attached to militia groups.



    I haven't killed any police, nor advocated killing them. I used to be one.

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Cannot be yes or no.
    Not any more than vehicle operation , particularly the big commercial rigs, or a "right" to be a brain surgeon....
    Its so obvious....
    And yet, todays gun scenario is so wrong and our Congressmen are afraid to do anything...
    A man does have the right of defense , naturally, and "no-lethal", in most cases is sufficient....and I , like so many, have nothing.....and need nothing.
    As opposed to many others, we do have a police force..

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