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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Oh, I get it. You're a "Sons of Anarchy" kinda guy whose definition of his sexual abilities is through the size of his gun. You really can't believe what you say, or you're not old enough to have voted more than once.
    I'm old enough to hold a PhD in physics. Old enough to be able to examine the dynamics of the system and see the trends and understand the results; to extrapolate accurately to the zero point. Don't try to belittle me just because I disagree with your naive ass.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So the government randomly defines someone as X, and it's fine with ya huh? Guess you don't mind all the prearrests that happen before the DNC and GOP conventions these days. The restriction to "free speech zones", I mean these people are dangerous.



    The government will label anything that threatens its power, justly or unjustly, as "terrorists" because it gives them breadth of "law" to do whatever they want to those folk. And ignorant sheep will go about their day thinking it's ok to allow for no defense of the individual, or requiring proof on part of the government beyond the government made and proclaimed definition. I see you are the fan of the Catch-22.
    I think the government rules with the type of government the people vote for. Given the insanity of the republican party and the power they gave the office of the president, it's not time to go paranoid now. For over 30 years the republcians put into office those who were taking away our freedoms and lowering our standard of living.

    Racism is the charging force on this violence. And your inability to see how and understand how your government works and how YOU control it truly makes you no more than a "Sons of Anarchy" fan who might just be no more than a person who spends hours talking tough on his computer.
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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm old enough to hold a PhD in physics. Old enough to be able to examine the dynamics of the system and see the trends and understand the results; to extrapolate accurately to the zero point. Don't try to belittle me just because I disagree with your naive ass.
    Also old enough to be reported for suspicion of terrorist involvement, huh? I really question your assertion, Pardon me. but a PHD holds a far greater degree in sanity and ability to discuss with a logical head than you have displayed. You are more the typical "Sons of Anarchy" fan.
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    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When they no longer fear the People. When the election cycles are rigged such that only Republocrats can win, when government expands its powers through things such as TSA, the Patriot Act, HLS, etc to infringe upon the rights and liberties of the individual. When defeatists cry out that we shouldn't even fight, that we shouldn't even have the chance of fighting; thus attempting to remove the final check. That is how government becomes unchecked. Are you stupid?


    You lost already. Obama won. And the Democrats gained more seats in the house and senate. Sorry to burst your long list of reasons to overtake the government, but you really don't have a let to stand on. The money could NOT buy the elections. But don't discount the stupidity of the right wing and their willingness to tank our economy to stop the "blacks" from getting welfare.

    Sorry, but actions of protest are doing a helluva lot more to get this nation turned around than your "Sons of Anarchy" comments are.

    Want to get your nation bacK? GET INVOLVED and quit pretending spending weekends with paint ball will help your country grow strong economically.
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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I think the government rules with the type of government the people vote for.
    So Saddam was perfectly fine, yes? Because people "voted" for him in massive support. Hahaha. Let's not play dumb. In a free system of political competition there are plenty of ways for the People to control the government. But when the competition is removed, that force is diminished, and if restricted to only two "choices", the force is removed all together. It becomes nothing more than a teeter totter dynamic. Obviously.


    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Given the insanity of the republican party and the power they gave the office of the president, it's not time to go paranoid now. For over 30 years the republcians put into office those who were taking away our freedoms and lowering our standard of living.
    Given the insanity of the Republocrats on whole, now is not the time to sit idly by in our own ignorance and apathy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Racism is the charging force on this violence. And your inability to see how and understand how your government works and how YOU control it truly makes you no more than a "Sons of Anarchy" fan who might just be no more than a person who spends hours talking tough on his computer.
    Violence shall exist so long as animals and organisms do. I understand quite well how the government works, and having studied a bit of history I know where they trend. It may be high time YOU educate yourself. Stupidity has never driven humanity anywhere good.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    You lost already. Obama won.
    George W Bush II did indeed win, though I would call that a loss for us all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    And the Democrats gained more seats in the house and senate. Sorry to burst your long list of reasons to overtake the government, but you really don't have a let to stand on. The money could NOT buy the elections. But don't discount the stupidity of the right wing and their willingness to tank our economy to stop the "blacks" from getting welfare.
    Indeed, Republocrat control has certainly been driving down the Republic for quite some time.

    Your ridiculously idiotic appeal to racism, however, has been noted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Sorry, but actions of protest are doing a helluva lot more to get this nation turned around than your "Sons of Anarchy" comments are.

    Want to get your nation bacK? GET INVOLVED and quit pretending spending weekends with paint ball will help your country grow strong economically.
    And how "turned around" are we getting? We're still in infinity war. Obama is expanding the government, using drones on his own people, GITMO is still open, Patriot Act is going strong, War on Terror, War on Drugs, all still going, Wall Street and the banks still being bailed out at the cost of the People. So what's been turned around? Oh Obama made a give away to insurance companies by guaranteeing through government force full consumerism? Great. G W I did the same thing with Medicade Part D. Not any different. So where's the turn around? Cause I'd love to pull a U-turn.

    I am involved, I'm part of the militia.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So Saddam was perfectly fine, yes? Because people "voted" for him in massive support. Hahaha. Let's not play dumb. In a free system of political competition there are plenty of ways for the People to control the government. But when the competition is removed, that force is diminished, and if restricted to only two "choices", the force is removed all together. It becomes nothing more than a teeter totter dynamic. Obviously.

    Who died and made Bush in charge of Iraq? Oh, that's right. The oil companies. And the democrats are about as far removed from republicans as you can get. Your agenda wants to believe otherwise, but then you don't probably spend a lot of time viewing a lot of sources for information.


    Given the insanity of the Republocrats on whole, now is not the time to sit idly by in our own ignorance and apathy.

    And violence in your way? Let me ask you this. YOu go against the government and who do you think will win? Who owns the stockpile of chemical and biological weapons? Drity nuclear bombs? Drones? Planes that can "pin point " a target?

    Violence shall exist so long as animals and organisms do. I understand quite well how the government works, and having studied a bit of history I know where they trend. It may be high time YOU educate yourself. Stupidity has never driven humanity anywhere good.
    Violence ends in violence. Ghandi did NOT raise a hand, and yet he removed the British Government from India forever. Maybe it's you who needs to study a bit more.
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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Violence ends in violence. Ghandi did NOT raise a hand, and yet he removed the British Government from India forever. Maybe it's you who needs to study a bit more.
    Yes...when our government is practicing non-violence; let me know. Until then, open a book. How old are you?

    Oh, and has Obama done anything to end the infinity wars? Or is he just changing theater? And where is the non-violence of Obama and the Democrats? Where? Indeed corporate capitalism, a hallmark of fascism, has driven much of government policy including war. How has Obama changed that? He's a corporate fascist as well, doing everything to keep up the "good fight". Quote Ghandi all you want. It just shows how ignorant you really are.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    George W Bush II did indeed win, though I would call that a loss for us all.

    Not in 2012. And neither did any republican win the white house in 2004

    Indeed, Republocrat control has certainly been driving down the Republic for quite some time.

    Your ridiculously idiotic appeal to racism, however, has been noted.

    RAcism is the number one reason why the militia groups have increase in number and size. So sayeth the FBI. It's after the 2012 elections and the threats to the President increased. It's not an appeal to racism. IT's the exposure of racism.

    And how "turned around" are we getting? We're still in infinity war. Obama is expanding the government, using drones on his own people, GITMO is still open, Patriot Act is going strong, War on Terror, War on Drugs, all still going, Wall Street and the banks still being bailed out at the cost of the People. So what's been turned around? Oh Obama made a give away to insurance companies by guaranteeing through government force full consumerism? Great. G W I did the same thing with Medicade Part D. Not any different. So where's the turn around? Cause I'd love to pull a U-turn.

    So, you are just going to let others go on the front line and take on the government through protest, petition, and get mace sprayed in their eyes while you play weekend warrior? We are pushing the government for change. How many letters and phone calls have you made to the government to stop the atrocities? How many democrats or republcians do you campaign for? Because you were obviously quite silent these last 30 years.

    I am involved, I'm part of the militia.
    You're not involved. You're part of the little boys who like big toys but can't be bothered to actually get involved in changing the government.
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Is the right to bear arms a civil right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes...when our government is practicing non-violence; let me know. Until then, open a book. How old are you?

    Oh, and has Obama done anything to end the infinity wars? Or is he just changing theater? And where is the non-violence of Obama and the Democrats? Where? Indeed corporate capitalism, a hallmark of fascism, has driven much of government policy including war. How has Obama changed that? He's a corporate fascist as well, doing everything to keep up the "good fight". Quote Ghandi all you want. It just shows how ignorant you really are.


    Ignorant? Well, Ghandi did what your militia can't do and in a shorter amount of time. Don't like corporations in your government? Protest them. Picket them. Write your senator and congressmen and talk to your family about boycotting them. The government isn't attacking you. They are GLAD you're playing weekend warrior and wont' even blink an eye if you bring your little weapons to them. They are on you like white on rice and KNOW you can't defeat them.
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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