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When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant one?


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This isn't an "equal rights" issue.

It's a definitive propriety issue.

It absolutely is an equal rights issue and all the semantic bull**** in the world isn't going to change that the basic premise of your argument is that homosexual relationships are inferior to heterosexual ones. It doesn't matter how you try to justify it, it is absolutely still bigotry and it should absolutely still be called out as bigotry whenever we encounter it.

A marriage has always been, for over 12,000 years, from just before the agricultural revolution, predating religion, predating modern history, up to the present, between a man and a woman as husband and wife, the definition of marriage, isolated pocketed violations being meaningless with respect to the definition, just like people calling their cats dogs is meaningless, obviously.

In other words, discounting all of the cases that don't support your trumped-up argument. Ignoring the history of all of the marriages between one man and multiple women, the handful of cultures that allowed marriage between one woman and multiple men, and the marriage rites that various cultures have practiced between members of the same sex throughout human history. You are basing your entire argument on sophistry and semantics and then falsifying the historical record in order to prop it up. This is inexcusable. If you are going to insist on advocating against gay marriage, at least have the common decency and intellectual honesty to admit that you are deliberately and specifically denying them that privilege and excluding them from that institution. And then make an argument that justifies that instead of pretending that the very concept of a "same sex marriage" is a logical impossibility.
 
It absolutely is an equal rights issue and all the semantic bull**** in the world isn't going to change that the basic premise of your argument is that homosexual relationships are inferior to heterosexual ones. It doesn't matter how you try to justify it, it is absolutely still bigotry and it should absolutely still be called out as bigotry whenever we encounter it.
No, your presentation is in error.

The "semantic bull****" you falsely accuse me of is simply a reflection of the assumptions in your own ideological position, nothing more.

And resorting to calling my accurate analysis of the situation "bigotry" is ideologically similar in decadence to calling those opposed to amnesty and legalization for multi-count law-breaking illegals "racists" -- it's erroneous and incendiary rhetoric, not valid at all.

But play the LCD victim card if you like .. it's meaningless .. but it will provide debaters good information for the future.


In other words, discounting all of the cases that don't support your trumped-up argument. Ignoring the history of all of the marriages between one man and multiple women, the handful of cultures that allowed marriage between one woman and multiple men, and the marriage rites that various cultures have practiced between members of the same sex throughout human history. You are basing your entire argument on sophistry and semantics and then falsifying the historical record in order to prop it up. This is inexcusable. If you are going to insist on advocating against gay marriage, at least have the common decency and intellectual honesty to admit that you are deliberately and specifically denying them that privilege and excluding them from that institution. And then make an argument that justifies that instead of pretending that the very concept of a "same sex marriage" is a logical impossibility.
Of course we discount cases that reflect erroneous representation of reality.

You can't reference people in history calling a cat a dog and then say "see, look, a cat belongs in a dog show".

You can't call something that is simply not a marriage a marriage simply because people in history called what was clearly not a marriage a marriage.

There is no "sophistry and semantics" in my argument, nor "false historical record" as you falsely allude.

I mean, we all know what marriage was from the get-go, 12,000 years ago, and always has been: "between a man and a woman as husband and wife".

Thus SS couples cannot, rationally, reasonably, avail themselves of marriage.

Sure, they can avail themselves of a civil union domestic partnership, recognized by government and private enterprise, even call it homarriage to properly and accurately distinguish that union, like all such fundamentally different unions are distinguished, they just can't call it a marriage, obviously.

As I previously accurately stated, definitive propriety renders the ideological spin "privilege", "rights", "equality", and the like, simply inapplicable: SS couples simply are not nor have they ever been subject to marriage.

And, as I previously accurately stated, the oxymoronic brainwashing performed by SS activists over the past five decades has seduced many into thinking that historical erroneous reference to marriage wasn't erroneous at all.

This is the challenge we face today, in accurately respecting our species, our human history, to shake off the ideological mindsets that dumb us down to the truth about our past and our present.

Do we call a man wearing a wig a woman simply because some men in the past wore wigs to look like women?

Do we call green brown simply because we're looking through rose colored glasses?

Do we call Jesus a God simply because no one found where his body was laid?

Do we call American citizens who are separatist survivalists the citizens of "New America" simply because they say that's the country they now are citizens of somewhere in Oklahoma?

No.

Not if we don't suffer from a brainwashed ideological mindset.

And neither do we call anything other than a man and a woman as husband and wife a marriage, as that's the only thing a marriage has ever been: between a man and a woman as husband and wife .. and always will be.

Obviously.
 
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The people who are opposed to equal rights for gays-- and yes, that includes marriage-- are the intolerant ones. Period, full stop. It's stupid this is even a question.

had to qoute this and reply to it because its the only common sense and truthful answer needed
 
Of course we discount cases that reflect erroneous representation of reality.

In other words, you ignore historical reality when it doesn't suit your pre-existing biases. I'm done with this nonsense.
 
In other words, you ignore historical reality when it doesn't suit your pre-existing biases. I'm done with this nonsense.

EXACTLY

its common practice that this poster will simply make post after post that ignores facts and reality to suit his own biased dishonest agenda, his misinformation is frequently exposed and has been by many posters many times.

History and facts simply and factually prove him wrong, but he will continue to talk circles and deny this reality while all the honest posters see right through the inane charade. It fools nobody longer than a post or two,
 
Are gay people trying to stop straights from marrying each other?
 
Neither. Some straight people are intolerant while others aren't. Some gay people are intolerant while others aren't.
 
Inter racial is male female........SSM is not the same.

No one claimed it was exactly the same, however, that doesn't mean that the analogy still doesn't stand. Face it Navy....you are just being hypocritical as usual. Your own marriage was considered perverted and disgusting my many and still is by others. There was a time where your marriage would only have been legal in a number of states. The correlation between your marriage and gay marriage is remarkably similar.
Can we put your marriage to a popular vote NP? Are you cool with that?
 
why don't you go for it? I condemn out of marriage sex. God will punish those that do it.

YOU condem sex out of marriage? Seriously NP? Are you seriously going to say that with a straight face? If you SERIOUSLY condemned it, you wouldn't be on this site "Bragging" about "Sowing your oats", banging someone elses wife, screwing every prostitute in town that you could. I understand that you were younger then, however, you are literally trying to brag about it only months ago until you realized how many people on this site were pointing out your hypocrisy. You cannot condemn for others what you brag about for yourself NP....that only exposes the hypocrisy that is so evident.
 
I would never speak for God. I speak for Christians.

LOL....oh now you are the voice of CHRISTIANITY? Tell me NP, where does that Catholic church stand on Capital Punishment? And being the good "Christian" that you are, you follow every teaching of the church, right?
 

He didn't and I don't my left wing friend...

Are you aware of your post? Let's take a look.

why don't you go for it? I condemn out of marriage sex. God will punish those that do it.

You are condemning, opposing, and threatening. The "he didn't" part of your post makes sense. But that whole "I don't" thing is a lie. If you truly believe in God, and if you truly believe out of marriage sex or ssm/sss is immoral in Gods eyes, you could let the cards fall where they may in the afterlife. I am familiar with the Catholic faith and nowhere does it call for you to impose your will or the will of God upon any others. The US government does not represent the will of God and the governments recognition of ssm does not change that. If the Catholic church chooses not to recognize ssm and people try to demand that they do I will stand there beside and oppose that. But the church and the US government are not the same. God doesn't care about our government recognitions nor should the governement or those outside the catholic church care about theirs.

Also calling me left wing doesn't really mean anything. A large part of the right wing and conservative values are freedoms for people and limiting government restrictions on people. The Republican party doesn't represent those values. You and many other Republicans represent the same things you claim to oppose from the left. You want the government controlling people, you want them limiting freedoms. You just seem to think it is ok as long as you get to choose the freedoms you restrict. And that, my left wing friend, is what the left is all about.
 
Do we call a man wearing a wig a woman simply because some men in the past wore wigs to look like women?

Do we call green brown simply because we're looking through rose colored glasses?

Do we call Jesus a God simply because no one found where his body was laid?

Do we call American citizens who are separatist survivalists the citizens of "New America" simply because they say that's the country they now are citizens of somewhere in Oklahoma?

No.

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Do we call a poster who is looking for a sex slave and advertises his readiness to inflict pain in order to receive pleasure a decent person for his continuous targeting of gay people?

same anwser.

No.
 
Do we call a poster who is looking for a sex slave and advertises his readiness to inflict pain in order to receive pleasure a decent person for his continuous targeting of gay people? same anwser. No.
As apparently always from you, topically meaningless.

The usual meaningless unprovoked personal attack ad hominem, yes, which we've all come to expect from you in lieu of thoughtful on-topic detailed relevance.

But, topically relevant and meaningful? No.
 
As apparently always from you, topically meaningless.

The usual meaningless unprovoked personal attack ad hominem, yes, which we've all come to expect from you in lieu of thoughtful on-topic detailed relevance.

But, topically relevant and meaningful? No.

Who do you mean by "we" - -those registered at slavefarm dot com? People pretending they are something they are not? Haters of gay people? What?
 
God lets his people make decisions and when they are the wrong ones they must on judgment day pay the price....He does not interfere. Sex outside of marriage is a mortal sin be you straight or gay. Anyone who has a mortal sin on his sould can not enter the kingdom of heaven and will burn in hell. Christians don't hate gays. They hate the sins that gays commit as they do straights.

Are you aware, NP, that there is more to "repentance" than confession?
 
Who do you mean by "we" - -those registered at slavefarm dot com? People pretending they are something they are not? Haters of gay people? What?
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It takes balls the size of chick peas to pretend God hasn't spoken for himself on an issue when you just don't like what he did say on that issue. Some people like to pretend that homosexual sex is a mega-sin because God used the word abomination to describe it. God also used the word abomination to describe being a nosy jerk about something that's a sin but is not hurting anybody. If abomination means no right to marry, then everyone opposed to allowing gays the legal right to marriage, has no right to marry. Some people like to pretend that God opposes gay marriage because God opposes gay sex. But sex outside of marriage is entirely possible and legal in the United States. What does God say about having sinful sex when you're not married? He says to get married and then it's less sinful.

What exactly did God say and who heard him say it? Was it the same speech where he said he wanted adulterers stoned and where he said slaves should obey their masters? Or where women should submit to men?
 
What exactly did God say?

and the Lord said, "I hate fags, that's why I made Adam and Eve..not Adam and Steve". He spoke in the form of a burning cross. He also mentioned that he hates minorities, women and muslims and that he put dinosaur fossils in the ground to give egghead academic weenies something to do. ;) :lamo
 
Okay, now give me nonfictional examples. This is apolitical debate forum, and this is not the conspiracy theory thread.

Different tax rates for different people is fictitious?

I'm sorry. It took me longer than usual to realize you're just trolling. I'll happily ignore you now.
 
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