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When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant one?

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Navy Pride said:
Why can't people have a different opinion then you...
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People can feel free to have whatever opinions they want. I support your right to be a bigot; I just don't support my government's right to be a bigot.

Navy Pride said:
........What if they want gays to have equal rights but don't want the definition of marriage changed like Liberals did with the word "Gay".
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Then they are lying to themselves about wanting equal rights. It is really as simple as that. If you do not support marriage-- full legal marriage-- for gays, you do not support equal rights for gays. Period.

Now, if you support legal marriage for gays but don't want your church to perform gay weddings... that's different. Nobody has a right to validation.
 
disneydude said:
Tolerance does not demand that one be tolerant of bigotry.
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:applaud Congrats on making a statement that is both Orwellian and bigoted. I would explain how but I am pretty certain you don't understand the meaning of the B word you like to throw around.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
Then they are lying to themselves about wanting equal rights. It is really as simple as that. If you do not support marriage-- full legal marriage-- for gays, you do not support equal rights for gays. Period.

Now, if you support legal marriage for gays but don't want your church to perform gay weddings... that's different. Nobody has a right to validation.
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I would be on gay marriage side if they would stop using the word "right" when they really mean "taxes"
 
hallam said:
I would be on gay marriage side if they would stop using the word "right" when they really mean "taxes"
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There are also important rights tied up within the institution of marriage. The declaration of your spouse as next-of-kin comes to mind.
 
Navy Pride said:
Here is what I believe when it comes to gay rights........I believe in equal rights for all Americans that includes gays.....I don't care what gays do when it comes to marriage but I believe the definition of marriage should be a union between a man and a woman and that should not change...Gays can call their union anything else they want to. They already stole the definition of the word gay...That is my opinion but gays and flaming liberals think I have no right to that opinion...They think because I believe as I do that I am a bigot or homophobe. I am not allowed to have my own opinion if it disagrees with theirs...Now I ask you who are the intolerant ones?
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You have every right to your opinion even if it is wrong. Perhaps if straight people actually acted like marriage was a Sacred vow instead of divorcing at record rates, I would understand your point of view. Marriage is a civil contract nothing more and no couple of adult persons should be denied that contract. Stop making a big deal about nothing.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
The people who are opposed to equal rights for gays-- and yes, that includes marriage-- are the intolerant ones. Period, full stop. It's stupid this is even a question.
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The problem with this point of view is there isn't one set of rights for those who are straight and another for those who are gay.
 
Navy Pride said:

Nope you have to stand up and be counted not sit on the fence.
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Exactly. My position on the issue, not my sexual preference, is what counts. There are heteros on both sides. There are gays on both sides. there are heteros and gays who couldn't care less either way. There are heteros and gays who feel very passionantly one whatever side they are on. Your poll doesn't reflect that. Add more choices.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
There are also important rights tied up within the institution of marriage. The declaration of your spouse as next-of-kin comes to mind.
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:bs All you are talking about here is having the government recognize the spouse as on the list of next-kin where otherwise it would not be.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
There are also important rights tied up within the institution of marriage. The declaration of your spouse as next-of-kin comes to mind.
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You don't need the government to make the declaration. You do need the government to escape the estate tax which is the reason for the second case before the SCUTUS. If love, kids, stable families are all rationales off the table for reasons for marriage (which I agree somewhat given the standpoint of hetro marriage), then the only reason to get marriage from a practical everyday standpoint is taxes. The idea of the hospital visitation only comes into play on rare circumstances and one doesn't get married because of it. But taxes...thats everyday. My question is why can't the gay rights movement just be honest about this.
 
hallam said:
You don't need the government to make the declaration. You do need the government to escape the estate tax which is the reason for the second case before the SCUTUS. If love, kids, stable families are all rationales off the table for reasons for marriage (which I agree somewhat given the standpoint of hetro marriage), then the only reason to get marriage from a practical everyday standpoint is taxes. The idea of the hospital visitation only comes into play on rare circumstances and one doesn't get married because of it. But taxes...thats everyday. My question is why can't the gay rights movement just be honest about this.
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It always comes down to the money...
 
Navy Pride said:
Here is what I believe when it comes to gay rights........I believe in equal rights for all Americans that includes gays.....I don't care what gays do when it comes to marriage but I believe the definition of marriage should be a union between a man and a woman and that should not change...Gays can call their union anything else they want to. They already stole the definition of the word gay...That is my opinion but gays and flaming liberals think I have no right to that opinion...They think because I believe as I do that I am a bigot or homophobe. I am not allowed to have my own opinion if it disagrees with theirs...Now I ask you who are the intolerant ones?
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What I think you are can wait for another area in this forum.

I think you missed the day in school that taught a very simple life skill.

SHARING

A hetro couple doesn't have to surrender all or part of their marriage for a same sex couple to have a marriage for themselves. My wife and I have a marriage, non church officiated, of 26 years. We won't have to give up any of our marriage to 'give' same sex folks marriage.

Next, you are quite stingy with words, a word can have more than one meaning and through time a word can change from meaning one thing to another.

If the gays 'stole' the word gay then who 'stole' the word f****t and made it a slur toward gay men? As I recall the word used to mean a bunch of sticks, or slang for a cigarette, now it is a slur for gay men... what happened, who was that thief???

Learn to share things you don't really own and can't stop others from using, be it a self descriptive word, or a term to describe a deep relationship with another in at the very least the eyes of the law. :2wave:
 
hallam said:
You don't need the government to make the declaration.
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Indeed. All you would need is a contract to make them on the list. The government doesn't need to be charge of this to make that a reality. I'm not sure where he is getting the idea its a right to have them on the list automatically though.
 
hallam said:
You don't need the government to make the declaration. You do need the government to escape the estate tax which is the reason for the second case before the SCUTUS. If love, kids, stable families are all rationales off the table for reasons for marriage (which I agree somewhat given the standpoint of hetro marriage), then the only reason to get marriage from a practical everyday standpoint is taxes. The idea of the hospital visitation only comes into play on rare circumstances and one doesn't get married because of it. But taxes...thats everyday. My question is why can't the gay rights movement just be honest about this.
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I'll say it's entirely about money the minute every str8 married couple says they are married just for money. It's a ridiculous assertion. To say love and their kids are off the table is also ridiculous. There have been kids of same sex couples who've gone into emotional testimony trying to fight gay marriage bans, and who are you to say what it means to them? It's about *both* financial stability and legitimacy.

Also, this is the worst poll ever. Why the hell would i even consider voting that straights are intolerant when half support gay marriage?
 
iguanaman said:
You have every right to your opinion even if it is wrong. Perhaps if straight people actually acted like marriage was a Sacred vow instead of divorcing at record rates, I would understand your point of view. Marriage is a civil contract nothing more and no couple of adult persons should be denied that contract. Stop making a big deal about nothing.
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Actually the divorce rate is very skewed because there are many more divorces of people in the 18-30. if you take them out of the equation and just count the people over 30 who are serious about this issue you will get a very much different conclusion.
 
hallam said:
If love, kids, stable families are all rationales off the table for reasons for marriage (which I agree somewhat given the standpoint of hetro marriage)...
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Kids and stable families are the only reasons I care about. I don't see why they would be off the table.
 
Navy Pride said:
Actually the divorce rate is very skewed because there are many more divorces of people in the 18-30. if you take them out of the equation and just count the people over 30 who are serious about this issue you will get a very much different conclusion.
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But that's not traditional marriage. Traditional marriage happens in the 14-18 age bracket.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
Kids and stable families are the only reasons I care about. I don't see why they would be off the table.
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And you may feel that they are important. I was just stating that kids and promoting stable families were reasons given for keeping marriage between a man and a women and they are reject with arguments from the GRM.
 
chromium said:
I'll say it's entirely about money the minute every str8 married couple says they are married just for money. It's a ridiculous assertion. To say love and their kids are off the table is also ridiculous. There have been kids of same sex couples who've gone into emotional testimony trying to fight gay marriage bans, and who are you to say what it means to them? It's about *both* financial stability and legitimacy.

Also, this is the worst poll ever. Why the hell would i even consider voting that straights are intolerant when half support gay marriage?
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You misinterpreted my statement. Kids, love, and promoting stable families are traditional rationales for making marriage only between a man and a women. Any review of the talking heads or other arguments state that these things are not necessary for marriage. So if they are not necessary for marriage as some (not all GRM people argue), then the only reason to get married is taxes.
 
hallam said:
You misinterpreted my statement. Kids, love, and promoting stable families are traditional rationales for making marriage only between a man and a women. Any review of the talking heads or other arguments state that these things are not necessary for marriage. So if they are not necessary for marriage as some (not all GRM people argue), then the only reason to get married is taxes.
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When the gay gene is found,, Kids will be a great reason for approving of gay marriage. People who don't want gay babies can give the babies up for adoption to gay couples. Love, of course, is an argument in favor of gay marriage. Gay marriage will stabilize the families of the gay couples. all of your arguments seem to be pro-gay marriage? ,
 
AmericanWoman76 said:
When the gay gene is found,, Kids will be a great reason for approving of gay marriage. People who don't want gay babies can give the babies up for adoption to gay couples. Love, of course, is an argument in favor of gay marriage. Gay marriage will stabilize the families of the gay couples. all of your arguments seem to be pro-gay marriage? ,
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My argument is the the GRM movement have to talk about "rights" because talking about taxes makes this less sexy. And because they talk about "rights" instead of taxes they are dishonest. Again, I would be for the gay marriage if the people I see on TV actually talked about why they they want marriage instead of talking about "rights." Like in most things, this is about money.
 
hallam said:
My argument is the the GRM movement have to talk about "rights" because talking about taxes makes this less sexy. And because they talk about "rights" instead of taxes they are dishonest. Again, I would be for the gay marriage if the people I see on TV actually talked about why they they want marriage instead of talking about "rights." Like in most things, this is about money.
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Everyone you disagree with means "money" when they say "love" , huh. Or maybe money is all you can hear because money is all you can love.
 
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