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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Do you think people who fashion themselves victims of oppression are ever going to be done with it? I don't, not as long as there are Starbuck's liberals to do their bidding.
    If we stop victimizing them than I believe most would...

    Of course you'll have those that won't like any other group. I see this as a civil rights issue. We have a horrible history of discriminating against some group of people because they don't fit in our vanilla perceived society.

    We never seem to learn in this country and it is asinine to be honest. This isn't a Liberal or Conservative issue at all to me...this is about doing what is right. We shouldn't restrict rights on those who are different. It doesn't matter what lives they choose to live.

    Americans need to learn from our history...discrimination doesn't work and fails every time.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    If we stop victimizing them than I believe most would...

    Of course you'll have those that won't like any other group. I see this as a civil rights issue. We have a horrible history of discriminating against some group of people because they don't fit in our vanilla perceived society.

    We never seem to learn in this country and it is asinine to be honest. This isn't a Liberal or Conservative issue at all to me...this is about doing what is right. We shouldn't restrict rights on those who are different. It doesn't matter what lives they choose to live.

    Americans need to learn from our history...discrimination doesn't work and fails every time.
    Sorry but I don't buy not getting married is some huge oppression comparable to what blacks went through by any stretch of the imagination. If they were like "Hey, stop stringing us up to fences and stoning us to death" then I'd be all for them. To me I take SSM as a human rights violation with all the seriousness as I would left-handed people complaining about right-handed scissors. I just don't care that much one way or the other.

    As for our history, that is just human nature. You are never going to change it. You have a lot of the same people arguing about Gay Freedom wanting to drive religion and the religious off the face of this earth. I wouldn't be too holier than thou about freedom and rights if I were trying to destroy those who disagree with me.

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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Sorry but I don't buy not getting married is some huge oppression comparable to what blacks went through by any stretch of the imagination. If they were like "Hey, stop stringing us up to fences and stoning us to death" then I'd be all for them. To me I take SSM as a human rights violation with all the seriousness as I would left-handed people complaining about right-handed scissors. I just don't care that much one way or the other.

    As for our history, that is just human nature. You are never going to change it. You have a lot of the same people arguing about Gay Freedom wanting to drive religion and the religious off the face of this earth. I wouldn't be too holier than thou about freedom and rights if I were trying to destroy those who disagree with me.
    I'm not saying the plight of black people is comparable to what is happening now. It isn't even close...

    I am saying that denying gays the rights that straight couples get is discrimination and shouldn't be accepted. That is why I take an all or nothing approach to this. You either change the word "marriage" to "Civil Unions" so you can appease those with vocabulary issues, or you get government out completely which as you already stated is difficult.

    I think this issue is a smokescreen to be honest and we should deal with it quickly. We have other more important issues to deal with like a certain 16 Trillion Dollar deficit.

    As far as religion goes...it should be out of our politics and confined to the churches and their private doings.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Sorry but I don't buy not getting married is some huge oppression comparable to what blacks went through by any stretch of the imagination. If they were like "Hey, stop stringing us up to fences and stoning us to death" then I'd be all for them. To me I take SSM as a human rights violation with all the seriousness as I would left-handed people complaining about right-handed scissors. I just don't care that much one way or the other.

    As for our history, that is just human nature. You are never going to change it. You have a lot of the same people arguing about Gay Freedom wanting to drive religion and the religious off the face of this earth. I wouldn't be too holier than thou about freedom and rights if I were trying to destroy those who disagree with me.
    It doesn't have to descend into wanton butchery to be discrimination.

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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Very weak my left wing friend...Please address the full sentence.
    Okay, let me spell it out: nobody in the pro-gay-marriage camp cares about the changing of the definition of marriage. Every time someone makes that argument we just skim past it or roll our eyes.

    Nobody cares.

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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Okay, let me spell it out: nobody in the pro-gay-marriage camp cares about the changing of the definition of marriage. Every time someone makes that argument we just skim past it or roll our eyes.

    Nobody cares.
    from dictionary.com

    mar·riage
    /ˈmarij/Noun
    1.The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.
    or from West's Encyclopedia of American Law:

    The legal status, condition, or relationship that results from a contract by which one man and one woman, who have the capacity to enter into such an agreement, mutually promise to live together in the relationship of Husband and Wife in law for life, or until the legal termination of the relationship.
    you were saying?
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    from dictionary.com



    or from West's Encyclopedia of American Law:



    you were saying?
    Right, and we don't care. Because definitions change.

    Look, you know how certain arguments just don't have any appeal to the other side? I'll give you a textbook case example: in the abortion debate the pro-choice side will often make the case that if abortions are illegal, women will be forced to get illegal abortions! What they don't understand is that such an argument has no appeal to a position that believes abortions are equivalent to murder. Get what I'm saying?

    The argument that we're trying to change the definition of marriage has equal impact: zero. Every time you or anyone else makes that argument, you're doing it solely for the benefit of each other. As I said, we just skim past it or roll our eyes.

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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    I really could not answer this poll, because not all straight people are stupid.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post



    you were saying?
    Why didn't you show the FULL definition?
    mar·riage [mar-ij] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    a.
    the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Antonyms: separation.
    b.
    a similar institution involving partners of the same gender:
    Marriage | Define Marriage at Dictionary.com

    Or the Black's law dictionary 9th edition definition:
    "The legal union of a couple as spouses."

    Or Websters
    a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage
    Marriage - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    Based on your other posts and threads, I'd say you and people who think like you. In my opinion.

    I don't know if you're gay or straight, but sexual orientation is a hard wired personality trait, while intolerance is a learned behavior. My point is there is no link between prejudices/intolerance and sexual orientation, so your poll is kind of dumb, in my opinion.
    Not to get off the subject too much but that's not exactly true. Neuroscience has shown that there is some xenophobia hardwired into the brain - some have it, some don't.
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