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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    How about taxes? Hiring practices? Inheritance laws? Immigration?

    It seems to me Democrats are all about equality provided it's the type of equality with different standards that they get the better of. The party certainly doesn't want the same tax rates for a corporate CEO or a unionized postal worker, right? They certainly don't want government jobs to go to the best applicant regardless of race, right? They certainly don't want a person to leave his stuff to anyone free from taxes, right? They certainly don't want high skilled professionals more likely to vote Republican coming to this country legally, do they?

    Just look at the topic you're in right now. The extremely heavy Democrat population of gays certainly aren't the only group not to have all the legal benefits of marriage but have you heard a Democrat leader push for "equal" rights for other single people who don't belong to an extremely liberal group?

    I don't have a problem with gay marriage but don't tell me it's about securing equal rights. It's about securing better rights for Democrats.
    Okay, now give me nonfictional examples. This is apolitical debate forum, and this is not the conspiracy theory thread.

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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It will never be legal in the eyes of God.
    Anything else from God you'd like to pass along? It takes balls the size of basketballs to presume to speak for God.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Also...its interesting that you always try to run away from the logical comparisons between inter-racial marriage bans and gay marriage bans. Here is what Mildred Loving, the black female plaintiff in Loving v. Virgina has to say on the issue:


    “ I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry... I am still not a political person, but I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness and the family that so many people, black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about. "
    Perhaps you should consider using Meister v. Moore (96 U.S. 76 (1877) and give up that whole "gays are oppressed" schtick and stick to the more relevant comparison.

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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Anything else from God you'd like to pass along? It takes balls the size of basketballs to presume to speak for God.
    It takes balls the size of chick peas to pretend God hasn't spoken for himself on an issue when you just don't like what he did say on that issue. Some people like to pretend that homosexual sex is a mega-sin because God used the word abomination to describe it. God also used the word abomination to describe being a nosy jerk about something that's a sin but is not hurting anybody. If abomination means no right to marry, then everyone opposed to allowing gays the legal right to marriage, has no right to marry. Some people like to pretend that God opposes gay marriage because God opposes gay sex. But sex outside of marriage is entirely possible and legal in the United States. What does God say about having sinful sex when you're not married? He says to get married and then it's less sinful.

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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    You cannot be serious, NP.
    A god that would allow , over the ages, tens of billions of people to be tortured and murdered.....
    He surely gives not a hoot about marriage.
    And, that we do NOT have a god running things, is a very good thing..
    It could be that the Islamic nations are jealous of us and our freedoms.
    God lets his people make decisions and when they are the wrong ones they must on judgment day pay the price....He does not interfere. Sex outside of marriage is a mortal sin be you straight or gay. Anyone who has a mortal sin on his sould can not enter the kingdom of heaven and will burn in hell. Christians don't hate gays. They hate the sins that gays commit as they do straights.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Anything else from God you'd like to pass along? It takes balls the size of basketballs to presume to speak for God.
    I would never speak for God. I speak for Christians.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    God lets his people make decisions and when they are the wrong ones they must on judgment day pay the price....He does not interfere. Sex outside of marriage is a mortal sin be you straight or gay. Anyone who has a mortal sin on his sould can not enter the kingdom of heaven and will burn in hell. Christians don't hate gays. They hate the sins that gays commit as they do straights.
    That's all well and good, but I don't see you trying to ban Divorce or Out of marriage sex...

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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    The people who are opposed to equal rights for gays-- and yes, that includes marriage-- are the intolerant ones. Period, full stop. It's stupid this is even a question.
    This isn't an "equal rights" issue.

    It's a definitive propriety issue.

    For example, is it an equal rights issue that cat-owners aren't allowed to enter their cats in a dog show?

    Of course not, because definitive propriety is always the foundational test to resolve an issue, and a cat is simply not a dog, and thus cat-owners have no right to enter their cats in a dog show.

    Definititive propriety is tested first, and only if its conditions are satisfied do rights and equality come into play as the next questions.

    The same is true with respect to topical relevance.

    A marriage has always been, for over 12,000 years, from just before the agricultural revolution, predating religion, predating modern history, up to the present, between a man and a woman as husband and wife, the definition of marriage, isolated pocketed violations being meaningless with respect to the definition, just like people calling their cats dogs is meaningless, obviously.

    So, is it an equal rights issue that SS couples aren't allowed to enter into a marriage, a marriage having always been between a man and a woman as husband and wife, the definition of marriage?

    Of course not, because definitive propriety of what marriage is -- between a man and a woman as husband and wife -- excludes SS couples right off the bat.

    Thus the matter, logically, rationally, never moves to the next question of equal rights, as the matter was solved by the foundational appeal to definitive propriety.

    50 years ago, gay activists realized this reality, and so they began the oxymornic brainwashing campaign of simply using the phrase "gay marriage"/"same-sex marriage" for three generations, until it as a phrase is now so engrained in the minds of many that, instead of thinking rationally and reasoning for themselves, people have simply been psychologically seduced to accept these terms as if they were true, when, obviously, they are not, and the seduction is to the ideological degree, with an emotional underpinning and effect, and a pre-conceived ideological seed has thus been planted in the minds of the seduced.

    When we think reasonably, rationally, according to the general guidelines for problem resolution in such matters, this matter is solved at the first and foundational test of definitive propriety, and thus there's no need to even consider the secondary tests of rights and equality.

    But those brainwashed by the generations of hearing and reading the aforementioned oxymoronic phrases, their rational reasoning ability has been compromised.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So what you're saying is you dislike the constitution and the system the founders have established in this country where we ware not a direct democracy, but a representative republic with three bodies of government with checks and balances...with one such check being the court system?

    It has nothing to do with that....Nice try though.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That's all well and good, but I don't see you trying to ban Divorce or Out of marriage sex...
    why don't you go for it? I condemn out of marriage sex. God will punish those that do it.
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