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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    which was my point. new editions and versions of all govt forms, pubs, regs, etc. come out on an almost yearly basis (sometimes more often). which is why arguing that the cost of changing forms to accommodate gay marriage is a factor is ridiculous.

    it wasn't an issue then, why should it be now?
    Laws are not rewritten every year. Some agencies use the same forms until there is a major change to those forms. Most businesses do not rewrite their forms every year.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    don't know if anyone ever calculated it. but considering the number of copies of the UCMJ and all the regs it references that are out there that had to be ammended....it wasn't cheap.
    I seriously doubt they destroy and re-issue new copies for every single change. And you're talking about something that covers less than 1% of the population.


    As for the word change thing, personally, I don't care what it's called as long as we get the religious institution out of the law, where it never should have been in the first place. I think it's a huge waste of time and effort to change all the laws, forms, etc, etc, etc, to replace "marriage/married" with "civil union/coupled" or whatever - but it's not the first time the masses have been irrational. If you would feel better checking "civil union" on all the forms instead of "married" I sure don't give a crap.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    Laws are not rewritten every year. Some agencies use the same forms until there is a major change to those forms. Most businesses do not rewrite their forms every year.
    Most codebooks, however, are published every year because there are almost always changes in the laws. The aren't like forms.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    What he said and I would like to add, how many "straight parades" have any of you been to that made you wish the kids had stayed at home.
    I sure don't want my (grand)kids attending a Klan or Nazi Party rally or whatever. I'm willing to bet those are "straight" groups.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I wouldn't put it that way. The intolerant ones are the ones who try to silence one side or the other. The intolerant ones are the ones who try to force their views and beliefs on others. The intolerant ones are the ones are those who do not respect other peoples views that are opposite of them. You do not have to agree with anyone's views, but before changing the definition of marriage which has existed for thousands of years, an open debate about it is needed.
    Thousands of years?!? LOL! I'm pretty sure negro and interracial "marriage" didn't exist a couple of hundred years ago - at least, not in the USA. Obviously, the definition HAS changed and relatively recently, at that.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I disagree especially when they show up at what has been family type parades for decades
    WOW! Do you only let them watch G-rated shows, too? How about the news? Or is it OK for them to see blood and guts but not guys in dresses? LOL!
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You had NO trouble for the definition to change to allow your inter-racial marriage....why was it ok for the definition to change for you and not for others.

    You are aware, are you not, that there were a lot of people that didn't want to see the definition of marriage changed to allow for what they considered your "icky and perverted marriage" that soiled the purity of the races.


    Were the bigots that fought against inter-racial marriage more or less tolerant than you are today NP?
    When in doubt, go to Webster: Marriage – 1. the state of being married; relation between husband and wife; married life; wedlock; matrimony. 2. the act of marrying; wedding. 3. the rite or form used in marrying.

    The thing here is that inter racial marriage did not change the definition of marriage, i.e. relation between husband and wife. Gay marriage would change the definition, at least according to Webster.

    I suppose it wouldn’t be a big change, instead of relation between husband and wife, it could say between a couple. But we are indeed talking about changing the definition that has existed for thousands of years. Inter-racial marriage has also existed for thousands of years. Even in Sparta of ancient Greece where homosexual relations was rampart, the soldier would leave his wife, female and have relations with other male soldiers, but would no marry them. Alexander the Great, is another example.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Thousands of years?!? LOL! I'm pretty sure negro and interracial "marriage" didn't exist a couple of hundred years ago - at least, not in the USA. Obviously, the definition HAS changed and relatively recently, at that.
    Not in the south, but elsewhere in the world, it certainly did. Here in the good old USA, mountain men married Indian women all the time. In the southwest, whites and Mexicans married. Jim Bowie was married to a Mexican gal. One of my ancestors married a Chinese woman while he worked on the rail road. Inter-racial marriage is not new to the USA or the world.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    When in doubt, go to Webster: Marriage – 1. the state of being married; relation between husband and wife; married life; wedlock; matrimony. 2. the act of marrying; wedding. 3. the rite or form used in marrying.

    The thing here is that inter racial marriage did not change the definition of marriage, i.e. relation between husband and wife. Gay marriage would change the definition, at least according to Webster.

    I suppose it wouldn’t be a big change, instead of relation between husband and wife, it could say between a couple. But we are indeed talking about changing the definition that has existed for thousands of years. Inter-racial marriage has also existed for thousands of years. Even in Sparta of ancient Greece where homosexual relations was rampart, the soldier would leave his wife, female and have relations with other male soldiers, but would no marry them. Alexander the Great, is another example.
    You think Webster never changes their definitions??? For that you get 3/3!


    Webster's takes the most common usages and incorporates them into their work. As people use words differently, Webster changes the definitions. It's all based on common acceptance of meanings, not some written-in-stone dogma.
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    Re: When the issue is gay marriage who are the intolerant ones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    When in doubt, go to Webster: Marriage – 1. the state of being married; relation between husband and wife; married life; wedlock; matrimony. 2. the act of marrying; wedding. 3. the rite or form used in marrying.

    The thing here is that inter racial marriage did not change the definition of marriage, i.e. relation between husband and wife. Gay marriage would change the definition, at least according to Webster.

    I suppose it wouldn’t be a big change, instead of relation between husband and wife, it could say between a couple. But we are indeed talking about changing the definition that has existed for thousands of years. Inter-racial marriage has also existed for thousands of years. Even in Sparta of ancient Greece where homosexual relations was rampart, the soldier would leave his wife, female and have relations with other male soldiers, but would no marry them. Alexander the Great, is another example.
    It did not change the definition that you posted....but it absolutely changed the definition of "marriage" by the laws on the books at the time that Loving v. Virginia was decided by the SCOTUS. Sorry...that is just the facts.

    As far a "thousands of years"...errrrrrrrrr....wrong again. What constitutes a "marriage" has changed countless times over the course of history. Nice try though.
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