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If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?


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Don't confuse this with a similar poll (that gave me the idea for this one). I'm not asking if you think churches will be forced to perform gay marriages, I'm asking for your honest opinion if you believe they should be forced to do it.


By forced, I mean anything that the govt could use to penalize churches for failing to performing the ceremonies, including removing tax exempt status if they don't, etc.
 
If this becomes the case gays are welcome to form their own non-profit churches and perform their own weddings. Besides, you don't have to go to church to get married anyway.
 
No. So long as we get rid of the system that allows a marriage to be validated by a religious figure instead of a magistrate or JoP. In other words: in a SOLELY religious ceremony, a church shouldn't be forced to do anything, so long as their ceremony does not cause gross harm (i.e. human sacrifice).
 
I don't think it beyond belief that those on the left, that generally scream about the 'wall' between church and state would possibly consider forcing churches to do something against their religious beliefs.
 
No. So long as we get rid of the system that allows a marriage to be validated by a religious figure instead of a magistrate or JoP. In other words: in a SOLELY religious ceremony, a church shouldn't be forced to do anything, so long as their ceremony does not cause gross harm (i.e. human sacrifice).

It isn't a SOLELY religious ceremony--you need a license issued by whomever issues marriage licenses in your local government--Clerk of Court for me but IDK if that is the same everywhere :2wave:
 
It isn't a SOLELY religious ceremony--you need a license issued by whomever issues marriage licenses in your local government--Clerk of Court for me but IDK if that is the same everywhere :2wave:

That's my point. Unless the church wants to abide by anti-discrimination laws (which might contradict their core beliefs), then they should forfeit their legal authority to authorize/confirm/validate a state-recognized marriage.
 
No.

Separation of church and state apparently doesn't matter when screwing the church over is the proposal. A curious thing.
 
Nope.

100% for gay marriages.

100% against forcing anyone to perform the ceremony.
 
If it's legal to have SSM in a state then churches should not be obligated or forced to perform same sex marriages or validate them.
 
That's my point. Unless the church wants to abide by anti-discrimination laws (which might contradict their core beliefs), then they should forfeit their legal authority to authorize/confirm/validate a state-recognized marriage.

It's not necessary for them to do so. The state has granted them this power so that people can get legally married in church. The church didn't empower the state, the state empowered the church. You can get married by a magistrate/justice of the peace.
 
Don't confuse this with a similar poll (that gave me the idea for this one). I'm not asking if you think churches will be forced to perform gay marriages, I'm asking for your honest opinion if you believe they should be forced to do it.


By forced, I mean anything that the govt could use to penalize churches for failing to performing the ceremonies, including removing tax exempt status if they don't, etc.

Well the Catholic Church does not believe in divorce. If you do divorce you are ex-communicated from the Church. So if they do not believe in SSM they can say no to marrying same sex partners I would guess.
 
That's my point. Unless the church wants to abide by anti-discrimination laws (which might contradict their core beliefs), then they should forfeit their legal authority to authorize/confirm/validate a state-recognized marriage.

Well then your point is so diculous it's ridiculous. Nobody will spend $30K for a wedding performed by a notary. It would damage our economy and nobody would send gifts.

Average couple spends $26,989 on wedding; many break budget
 
Churches lost their relevance regarding marriage as soon as the tax code and other laws gave married couples special benefits over others and hence the need to register your marriage with the state/tax man.

Basically you can get married without a church, but you cant get married without a marriage license and registration. And because of that.. churches or anyone should not be forced to marry people on their property, just as no one should be prevented in marrying.
 
Well then your point is so diculous it's ridiculous. Nobody will spend $30K for a wedding performed by a notary. It would damage our economy and nobody would send gifts.

Average couple spends $26,989 on wedding; many break budget

...you're serious? You think people will stop having big weddings because the license isn't valid when the pastor/preacher/priest blesses it? And you think MY argument is ridiculous?
 
...you're serious? You think people will stop having big weddings because the license isn't valid when the pastor/preacher/priest blesses it? And you think MY argument is ridiculous?

Yes and Yes. Outlaw marriage completely--it oppresses single people and leads men to a life of serfdom, spider killing, and heavy things toting.....
 
Don't confuse this with a similar poll (that gave me the idea for this one). I'm not asking if you think churches will be forced to perform gay marriages, I'm asking for your honest opinion if you believe they should be forced to do it.


By forced, I mean anything that the govt could use to penalize churches for failing to performing the ceremonies, including removing tax exempt status if they don't, etc.

No. They don't even have to marry a particular straight couple if they don't want to. No reason they have to marry gay ones.
 
The only time I would want for churches to be forced to agree with me is if the wall of separation is weakened. If "it isn't possible" to have that wall, then churches will become a political thing, rather than simply religious. Under such a circumstance it will be obviously natural for anyone who cares about politics to want to influence religion.

As it stands now, I voted No.
 
Good heavens, no.

or maybe just no.
 
Separation of church and state apparently doesn't matter when screwing the church over is the proposal. A curious thing.

I've not seen anybody saying that they should be forced to do so. In fact the only people I've seen say anything about it are those who need their CPC validated.

No, they shouldn't be forced to, and the idea that it would be is ridiculous.
 
I don't think it beyond belief that those on the left, that generally scream about the 'wall' between church and state would possibly consider forcing churches to do something against their religious beliefs.

So who on the 'left' is seriously considering forcing Churches to conduct same sex marriages?

The screams about it I keep hearing seem to be coming from the right wing of our society.

For all some on the right like to claim there are so many lefties here, not one seems to think the Church should be forced to conduct same sex marriages.
 
So who on the 'left' is seriously considering forcing Churches to conduct same sex marriages?

I didn't say they were, I said I don't think it is beyond belief that they would possibly try such a thing. Reading comprehension is fundamental.
 
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