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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No one is asking the religious/churches/mosques to recognize marriage. That's why it's being debated on a legal basis.
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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Marriage is already a legal term, if the churches are so unhappy, let them come up with a different term for it.
    I could live with that. As long as gays and straights end up with the same civil rights, I'm happy.

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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I could live with that. As long as gays and straights end up with the same civil rights, I'm happy.
    So long as we're not playing any "separate but equal" games, I'm fine with it. Same rights, same titles, no differences.
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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Marriage is already a legal term
    This is true:
    In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word 'marriage' means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word 'spouse' refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.

    if the churches are so unhappy, let them come up with a different term for it.
    I doubt the churches are unhappy with the legal term. But by your reasoning, anyone who is unhappy can simply come up with a different term for it.

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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So long as we're not playing any "separate but equal" games, I'm fine with it. Same rights, same titles, no differences.
    I agree with that. That was my idea behind making the state-based union called a "civil union" whether the couples are gay or straight and then calling it a "marriage" if a religious institution has done a ceremony -- also regardless of whether the couple is gay or straight.

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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I agree with that. That was my idea behind making the state-based union called a "civil union" whether the couples are gay or straight and then calling it a "marriage" if a religious institution has done a ceremony -- also regardless of whether the couple is gay or straight.
    no need to make a new title, just grant equal rights and be done with it

    and the problem is that "civil unions" across the country have already been proven to be weaker and not as legally binding as marriage, so why take steps backwards

    as far as religion goes, they already have their on totally separate thing that legal marriage has no effect on

    religious marriage is meaningless to the debate
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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    no need to make a new title, just grant equal rights and be done with it

    and the problem is that "civil unions" across the country have already been proven to be weaker and not as legally binding as marriage, so why take steps backwards

    as far as religion goes, they already have their on totally separate thing that legal marriage has no effect on

    religious marriage is meaningless to the debate
    I could live with that as long as gay couples are given completely equal status to straight ones. In that case, I think there should be no religious requirement for marriage. If the couple does all the paperwork it's supposed to with the state and meets all the legal requirements, they should be fully married under the law regardless of whether they perform a ceremony in a church or other religious institution. They can, of course, do a religious ceremony if they want to, but only of they want to. An atheist couple that marries only via the state should be considered just as married as anyone else.

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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    1.)I could live with that as long as gay couples are given completely equal status to straight ones.
    2.)In that case, I think there should be no religious requirement for marriage.
    3.) If the couple does all the paperwork it's supposed to with the state and meets all the legal requirements, they should be fully married under the law regardless of whether they perform a ceremony in a church or other religious institution.
    4.)They can, of course, do a religious ceremony if they want to, but only of they want to. An atheist couple that marries only via the state should be considered just as married as anyone else.
    1.) exactly equal rights
    2.) there isnt any religious requirement now. Religion has nothing to do with legal marriage
    3.) this is already true
    4.) They already are, currently gays just dont have equal rights but they should
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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) exactly equal rights
    2.) there isnt any religious requirement now. Religion has nothing to do with legal marriage
    3.) this is already true
    4.) They already are, currently gays just dont have equal rights but they should
    Then we're in agreement. Get these legal rights to gays in all 50 states any way we can.

    Given the religious extremists we have in the US, I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of them try to sneak in a religious requirement for marriage to be binding. Don't let them.

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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Then we're in agreement. Get these legal rights to gays in all 50 states any way we can.

    Given the religious extremists we have in the US, I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of them try to sneak in a religious requirement for marriage to be binding. Don't let them.
    they can try all they want the constitution will stop them every time, they are fighting a losing, selfish, hypocritical battle
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