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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If this becomes the case gays are welcome to form their own non-profit churches and perform their own weddings. Besides, you don't have to go to church to get married anyway.
    That should be reason enough for conservatives to not care about gay marriage, because its not a religious function. Unfortunately many want the government to be an enforcer of the morals of their church.

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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Don't confuse this with a similar poll (that gave me the idea for this one). I'm not asking if you think churches will be forced to perform gay marriages, I'm asking for your honest opinion if you believe they should be forced to do it.


    By forced, I mean anything that the govt could use to penalize churches for failing to performing the ceremonies, including removing tax exempt status if they don't, etc.
    simply answer, of course not


    churches have the right to discriminate and they already do every day, gay marriage has no impact on this. religious marriage and legal marriage have zero to do with each other unless the people involved want it too.
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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    That should be reason enough for conservatives to not care about gay marriage, because its not a religious function. Unfortunately many want the government to be an enforcer of the morals of their church.
    Many people want the government to enforce their morals, that's not just true of religious people or conservatives.
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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Don't confuse this with a similar poll (that gave me the idea for this one). I'm not asking if you think churches will be forced to perform gay marriages, I'm asking for your honest opinion if you believe they should be forced to do it.


    By forced, I mean anything that the govt could use to penalize churches for failing to performing the ceremonies, including removing tax exempt status if they don't, etc.
    Don't be silly, of course not. Churches have always been permitted to marry whoever they want.

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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I don't think it beyond belief that those on the left, that generally scream about the 'wall' between church and state would possibly consider forcing churches to do something against their religious beliefs.
    Right after we take away all your guns....

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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Right after we take away all your guns....
    Well, that makes sense. You'll need the guns to force the churches to perform the ceremonies. It all becomes clear now.
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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Don't confuse this with a similar poll (that gave me the idea for this one). I'm not asking if you think churches will be forced to perform gay marriages, I'm asking for your honest opinion if you believe they should be forced to do it.


    By forced, I mean anything that the govt could use to penalize churches for failing to performing the ceremonies, including removing tax exempt status if they don't, etc.
    Oh, natural consequences of one's actions is force now? Churches that preach politics, attempt to write federal laws, and hire lobbyists in Washington. D.C., have no business claiming separation of church and state at tax time. But keep pretending that it'd be a penalty for not performing gay weddings. No church has ever been forced to preform a straight wedding they didn't want to perform. That blatantly false pretense is really an acknowledgement of the churches' guilt in acting as political organizations and then suddenly being separate at tax time.

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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    No one is asking the religious/churches/mosques to recognize marriage. That's why it's being debated on a legal basis.
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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    The way I see it is every "marriage" done under the law should be considered a civil union, whether it's straights or gays tying the knot. The state handles all the legal stuff -- guaranteeing the spouse doesn't have to testify in court against the other, hospital visitation rights, insurance rights, inheritance rights, etc. That all should be under the law a "civil union." If the two people also want to give it spiritual significance, then that should be handled by a church and then they can call it a marriage. No church that believes homosexuality is wrong should be forced to perform any such ceremony. Gay people who want to add "marriage" to their civil union will hence need to find a church that's okay with gay marriage to perform the ceremony. That seems fair to me.

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    Re: If SSM is Legalized, Should Churches be "Forced" to Perform Gay Marriages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    The way I see it is every "marriage" done under the law should be considered a civil union, whether it's straights or gays tying the knot. The state handles all the legal stuff -- guaranteeing the spouse doesn't have to testify in court against the other, hospital visitation rights, insurance rights, inheritance rights, etc. That all should be under the law a "civil union." If the two people also want to give it spiritual significance, then that should be handled by a church and then they can call it a marriage. No church that believes homosexuality is wrong should be forced to perform any such ceremony. Gay people who want to add "marriage" to their civil union will hence need to find a church that's okay with gay marriage to perform the ceremony. That seems fair to me.
    Marriage is already a legal term, if the churches are so unhappy, let them come up with a different term for it.
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