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  • No. Kim Jong Un will calm down or Obama will ignore him.

    54 50.94%
  • North Korea will be hit with US air, drone and missle strikes.

    14 13.21%
  • A full land invasion of North Korea by US forces is coming soon.

    18 16.98%
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Maybe he's naive enough to think he can saber rattle non stop and we'll never take him seriously. I hope it doesn't come to it be it looks likely at this point forgetting we might be a little concerned about his nukes. One good thing is he's seemed to have shut his mouth after seeing the US military build up off his coast.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Yeah, I'm far from panic mode over the latest threats from NK. I am not, however, as blaise about it as I have been in the past. For one thing, NK has already attacked the South militarily since Un took over, a real shooting skirmish with real casualties. What was his "punishment" for this aggression? Nothing. Nada. Nein.

    Now he has gone so far as to declare war on the US and SK (yeah, yeah, I know, formally a state of war has existed for 60 years) and threaten to use nukes. I think it's possible that his military leadership, which quite frankly runs the North, having been deprived of substantitive outside news, is arrogant and ignorant enough to think that it's brilliant plan will actually work, that they can nuke Seoul, instantly take out the US presence, then march through the South unopposed.

    That isn't true, of course. We'd wipe the peninsula with them... but we'd still have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dead people in a sea of green glass.

    So, do we sit back and wait for the bomb to drop? Do we pre-emptively take out their nuclear capacity (which makes more sense now in NK than it ever did in Iraq)? Or do we just yawn and mumble, "another day, another idle threat"?

    I don't know, and I'm glad I don't have to decide. I do know that I'm more uncomfortable about the future of the two Koreas now than I ever have been in my lifetime. Something feels... I dunno... a bit more ominous and real at the moment. Hope I'm wrong.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    A formal armistice ceasing hostilities was signed 27 July 1953. It postponed hostilities "until a final peaceful settlement is achieved." A final settlement has not yet been achieved, and therefore, the South and the North are still formally at war.

    Formal declarations of war died in the 40's with the changing face of global politics, and are no longer necessary.
    Yes, I knew it was something like that. But thank you for finding the actual quote. My point remains. After this many years of a cease fire, any resumption of hostilities would have to be considered "new" and not a continuation.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I should have been clearer, what I meant was that the F-22 doesn't give us any edge because we've already achieved total air superiority over any enemy we are likely to fight. Its like trying to improve upon perfection you just can't do it. Now I know there is no such thing as perfection war but for the cost of what the program was we really didn't gain much in the realm of air superiority because already totally dominant that field. Plus you can achieve more with few F-15 than you can with an F-22 and you get the F-15s for cheaper.

    The F-22 program cost us what? 66 billion dollars or there abouts, and we got 185 planes out of it, plus you have future maintenance costs which cannot be calculated yet but I haven't seen any estimates. I think we could have got better bang for our buck with F-15s.

    But I'm glad you do agree with me that the F-35 is a total flop.
    bwhahaha F-35's (A-B-C) are not a total flop. https://www.f35.com/news-events/top-issues.aspx

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    bwhahaha F-35's (A-B-C) are not a total flop. https://www.f35.com/news-events/top-issues.aspx
    From the perspective of the budget they are.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    From the perspective of the budget they are.
    Well that would be a one dimensional perspective.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Well that would be a one dimensional perspective.
    I would consider that one of those "no fail" categories of weapons development, or hell of any government spending. An estimated 400 billion dollars just to fill the projected order and a possible 1.45 TRILLION over the lifetime of the aircraft. The initial estimate was 1 trillion over the life time of the aircraft, an increase of 50% before the damn thing has even been truly put into the active force.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    They always do.
    On second thought....

    CNN) -- North Korea on Tuesday demonstrated its commitment to its controversial nuclear program, saying that it plans to restart a reactor at its main atomic complex that it agreed to shut down in 2007.

    North Korea says it plans to restart shuttered nuclear reactor - CNN.com
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Yeah, I'm far from panic mode over the latest threats from NK. I am not, however, as blaise about it as I have been in the past. For one thing, NK has already attacked the South militarily since Un took over, a real shooting skirmish with real casualties. What was his "punishment" for this aggression? Nothing. Nada. Nein.

    Now he has gone so far as to declare war on the US and SK (yeah, yeah, I know, formally a state of war has existed for 60 years) and threaten to use nukes. I think it's possible that his military leadership, which quite frankly runs the North, having been deprived of substantitive outside news, is arrogant and ignorant enough to think that it's brilliant plan will actually work, that they can nuke Seoul, instantly take out the US presence, then march through the South unopposed.

    That isn't true, of course. We'd wipe the peninsula with them... but we'd still have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dead people in a sea of green glass.

    So, do we sit back and wait for the bomb to drop? Do we pre-emptively take out their nuclear capacity (which makes more sense now in NK than it ever did in Iraq)? Or do we just yawn and mumble, "another day, another idle threat"?

    I don't know, and I'm glad I don't have to decide. I do know that I'm more uncomfortable about the future of the two Koreas now than I ever have been in my lifetime. Something feels... I dunno... a bit more ominous and real at the moment. Hope I'm wrong.
    My best guess is ... NK really depends on China, and they know it. So far, China has kept supporting NK, because they didn't want to run the risk of a destabilization of the peninsula, which may well cause political unrest or massive humanitarian problems, including fugitives at the Chinese border.

    But the Chinese have been considering for a while already if NK is really worth the trouble, especially because trade relations to the US are much more important (and to SK increasingly too). So it's probably only a matter of time until the Chinese decide Un is really not worth this trouble and drop him.

    Hell, it's a wonder this silly country has not collapsed all on its own by now.

    Maybe the next American trade delegation to China can simply ask if they get NK as a bonus, in exchange for a really good deal or something.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    On second thought....

    CNN) -- North Korea on Tuesday demonstrated its commitment to its controversial nuclear program, saying that it plans to restart a reactor at its main atomic complex that it agreed to shut down in 2007.

    North Korea says it plans to restart shuttered nuclear reactor - CNN.com
    This came in around the same time that they said they planned to re-start their nuclear reactor.

    North Korean leader dials down hostile rhetoric.....

    North Korea's leader appeared to tamp down hostile rhetoric that had threatened impending war with the United States and South Korea in a key speech published on Tuesday that implied the isolated country was shifting its focus to development.

    But the speech delivered on Sunday by Kim Jong-un focused on how nuclear capability supported economic development although it accused the United States of seeking to drag North Korea into an arms race in a bid to hinder its economic improvement.

    "It is on the basis of a strong nuclear strength that peace and prosperity can exist and so can the happiness of people's lives," Kim said in the speech delivered to the central committee meeting of the ruling Workers Party of Korea and published in full on Tuesday.

    Threats from North Korea have prompted the United States to beef up its forces on the peninsula and station a warship off the Korean peninsula overnight.

    The North has promised its citizens that it would become a strong and prosperous nation and is moving towards celebrations of the April 15 birthday of its founder Kim Il-sung, the grandfather of the current leader.

    "The fact that this was made at the Party central committee meeting, which is the highest policy setting organ, indicates an attempt to highlight economic problems and shift the focus from security to the economy," said Yang Moo-jin of University of North Korean Studies in Seoul.....snip~

    North Korean leader dials down hostile rhetoric
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