View Poll Results: Is US military action against North Korea imminent?

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  • No. Kim Jong Un will calm down or Obama will ignore him.

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  • North Korea will be hit with US air, drone and missle strikes.

    14 13.21%
  • A full land invasion of North Korea by US forces is coming soon.

    18 16.98%
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I always want the the troops to have the best equipment, but there's a practical side to this as well. I don't deny the F-22s superiority over anything else that flies these days, but in terms of dollars vs benefits I just don't see the value, its an air superiority fighter at at time when in our current wars we have air superiority by default meaning we don't even have to fight for it. Plus you have the fact that an F-22 costs about 5 times more than an F-15C, Apache was right about the designation, now does an F-22.

    Its an amazing piece of equipment that's for sure but I don't know if I see it as being worth the taxpayer dollars that went into it.
    What makes you think we have air superiority by default? Because we are able to establish it against crap nations like Libya or Iraq while only losing a couple of pilots?

    China and Russia both have 5th Gen fighters, as well as some pretty bad-a-- SAMs.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Very true. Trust me. I fly UAVs for a living.
    Predators and the like don't look like they are designed for hard maneuvering or very low level flight, but they sure do look like they are optimized for loiter time. Look very similar to a glider with a motor strapped to it at least wing wise.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    What makes you think we have air superiority by default? Because we are able to establish it against crap nations like Libya or Iraq while only losing a couple of pilots?

    China and Russia both have 5th Gen fighters, as well as some pretty bad-a-- SAMs.
    Thats why I said current wars.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    I could be in the minority, but does anyone seriously believe that Obama would enter into a war with Korea, regardless of the provocation with the exception of a nuclear strike on a major American city?

    There's no way to prove it, but if Obama had been President on 9/11, the US would not have gone to war in Afghanistan, whether you think the US should or should not have done so.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    What makes you think we have air superiority by default? Because we are able to establish it against crap nations like Libya or Iraq while only losing a couple of pilots?

    China and Russia both have 5th Gen fighters, as well as some pretty bad-a-- SAMs.
    The fact that the most powerful military on the planet cannot advance beyond a mere statemate, in over a decade, against an enemy that has no air force, no navy and a rag tag, at best, army should make you question our Afghanistan battle plan. Question, as well, why we, the US taxpayers, supply 70% of Afghanistan's GDP.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I could be in the minority, but does anyone seriously believe that Obama would enter into a war with Korea, regardless of the provocation with the exception of a nuclear strike on a major American city?

    There's no way to prove it, but if Obama had been President on 9/11, the US would not have gone to war in Afghanistan, whether you think the US should or should not have done so.
    I will have to disagree. President Obama is very conscious of polls. After 9/11 the American people wanted blood. There is no doubt in my mind that we would have retaliated and attacking the Taliban in AFG was the logical move. The war would have been handled in an entirely different manner and we would have never gone to Iraq, but we still would have even in AFG.

    If KJU performs an attack, the US will be forced to respond. If they just continue with threats, I do not think that the President will do anything in a military sense, with the exception of some show of force. He is already doing that, as he should.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Kim Jong Un has IMHO already done enough to justify a US military response. He's pointed missiles at American bases in Japan and Guam. He cut the line that allows emergency communications between North and South Korea. Last year he fired missiles at a South Korean residitial area killing innocent civilians seemingly for no other reason than to look tough/crazy. Before his rise to power his father ignored the international community and has successfully proliferated nuclear weapons, weapons Junior now possesses. Under treaty agreements, military actions against South Korea are considered attacks on the United States of America. Un has publically stated a state of war exists between North South Korea, translation: he declared war against America under US treaty obligations. The question is will he come to his senses and back up and/or will president Obama spank that A and treat North Korea as part axis of evil or ignore him? My observation is Obama talks a good game of peace and love when it comes to playing nice with homocidal maniacs but still kicks butt most of the time.

    Not sure if I should even say this but I heard on relatively good authority troops scheduled for deployment in Afghanistan have had their orders cancelled 'in case they're needed elsewhere.' A new type of naval sea to surface battle ship never used before is now parked off the coast of North Korea.
    And I heard from a reliable source that you like mudkipz. The Korean war never ended, we just have a mutual ceasefire. I don't think Jong Un dumb enough to give up a good thing, because they know they won't win another round of combat with us.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    And I heard from a reliable source that you like mudkipz. The Korean war never ended, we just have a mutual ceasefire. I don't think Jong Un dumb enough to give up a good thing, because they know they won't win another round of combat with us.
    Was WAR ever actually declared? If not, I don't believe a formal peace treaty must be signed either.
    By that token, we can re-initiate hostilities with Granada, any time as there was no peace treaty. Was there a peace treaty with Iraq?

    But, I certainly agree that KJU does not really want to fight. He is just ronrey
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    And I heard from a reliable source that you like mudkipz. The Korean war never ended, we just have a mutual ceasefire. I don't think Jong Un dumb enough to give up a good thing, because they know they won't win another round of combat with us.
    Maybe he's naive enough to think he can saber rattle non stop and we'll never take him seriously. I hope it doesn't come to it be it looks likely at this point forgetting we might be a little concerned about his nukes. One good thing is he's seemed to have shut his mouth after seeing the US military build up off his coast.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Was WAR ever actually declared? If not, I don't believe a formal peace treaty must be signed either.
    A formal armistice ceasing hostilities was signed 27 July 1953. It postponed hostilities "until a final peaceful settlement is achieved." A final settlement has not yet been achieved, and therefore, the South and the North are still formally at war.

    Formal declarations of war died in the 40's with the changing face of global politics, and are no longer necessary.
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