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  • No. Kim Jong Un will calm down or Obama will ignore him.

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  • North Korea will be hit with US air, drone and missle strikes.

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  • A full land invasion of North Korea by US forces is coming soon.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    It can hold its own against Su-35s and other Su27 airframe aircraft, but the F-22 should be used to secure Air Superiority and F-15's maintain it. Our current series of drones would be easy meat in a conflicted airspace.
    As of 1992, the army was composed of sixteen corps commands, two separate special operations forces commands, and nine military district commands (or regions) under the control of the Ministry of the People's Armed Forces. Most sources agreed that the DPRK's ground forces consisted of approximately 145 divisions and brigades, of which approximately 120 are active. There is less agreement, however, on the breakdown of the forces.

    As of 1996, major combat units consisted of 153 divisions and brigades, including 60 infantry divisions/brigades, 25 mechanized infantry brigades, 13 tank brigades, 25 Special Operation Force (SOF) brigades and 30 artillery brigades.[12] North Korea deployed ten corps including sixty divisions and brigades in the forward area south of the Pyongyang-Wonsan line.

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    Although the North Korean military once enjoyed a startling advantage against its counterpart in South Korea, its relative isolation and economic plight starting from the 1980s has now tipped the balance of military power into the hands of the better-equipped South Korean military.[6] In response to this predicament, North Korea relies on asymmetric warfare techniques and unconventional weaponry to achieve parity against high-tech enemy forces.[6] North Korea has developed a wide range of technologies towards this end, such as stealth paint to conceal ground targets,[30] midget submarines and human torpedoes[31] and a vast array of chemical and biological weapons.[32] The Korean People's Army also operates ZM-87 anti-personnel lasers, which are banned under the United Nations Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons.[33]

    Since the 1980s, North Korea has also been actively developing its own cyber warfare capabilities, and as of 2011 has some 1,000 skilled military hackers.[34][6] The Korean People's Army has also made advances in electronic warfare by developing GPS jammers.[35] Current models include vehicle-mounted jammers with a range of 50 kilometres (31 mi)-100 kilometres (62 mi). Jammers with a range of more than 100 km are being developed, along with electromagnetic pulse bombs.[36] The Korean People's Army has also made attempts to jam South Korean military satellites.[37]

    Despite the general fuel and ammunition shortages for training, it is estimated that the wartime strategic reserves of food for the army are sufficient to feed the regular troops for 500 days, while fuel and ammunition - amounting to 1.5 million and 1.7 million tonnes respectively - are sufficient to wage a full-scale war for 100 days.[38]


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    A KPAF Ilyushin Il-76MD strategic airlifter in the mid-2000s, in Air Koryo markings.

    The KPA does not operate aircraft carriers, but has other means of power projection. Korean People's Air Force Il-76MD aircraft provide a strategic airlift capacity of 6,000 troops, while the Navy's sea lift capacity amounts to 15,000 troops.[39] The Strategic Rocket Forces operate more than 1,000 ballistic missiles according to South Korean officials.[40] North Korea acquired 12 Foxtrot class and Golf-II class missile submarines as scrap in 1993.[41] Some analysts suggest that these have either been refurbished with the help of Russian experts or their launch tubes have been reverse-engineered and externally fitted to regular submarines or cargo ships.[42] In both cases, the KPA would be within a proposed firing range of islands in the central Pacific Ocean and the Western coast of North America.[41]

    A photograph of Kim Jong Un receiving a briefing from his top generals on March 29, 2013 revealed the military had a minimum of 40 submarines, 13 landing ships, 6 minesweepers, 27 support vessels and 1,852 aircraft.[43].....snip~

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    From what I've read this peacocking by N. Korea is due to internal problems. The new unestablished Kim Jong trying to establish some sort of control and the best way is some saber rattling? I doubt that in any calculation by Kim Jong war with S. Korea and the US ends with anything other than the end of his regime and everybody in it.

    I just don't seem them going all the way. I think it would shock everyone if they actually did start invading or firing on the south. I think China behind the scenes has made it obvious they are probably on their own in that scenario!
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I always want the the troops to have the best equipment, but there's a practical side to this as well. I don't deny the F-22s superiority over anything else that flies these days, but in terms of dollars vs benefits I just don't see the value, its an air superiority fighter at at time when in our current wars we have air superiority by default meaning we don't even have to fight for it. Plus you have the fact that an F-22 costs about 5 times more than an F-15C, Apache was right about the designation, now does an F-22.

    Its an amazing piece of equipment that's for sure but I don't know if I see it as being worth the taxpayer dollars that went into it.
    What it finally comes down too, Obama made a decision that the USAF disagreed with. The Air Force said they would need a minimum of 400 F-22's to guarantee air superiority for the next 50 years.

    That the production lines were shut down but the manufactures and hundreds of sub contractors held off for three years before dismantling and scrapping the production line until after the 2012 elections. By next year it will be impossible to reopen production of any more F-22's even though Russia and China both have come out with their own version of the F-22.

    Obama made a decision and many Generals say that Obama refuses to look at what threats America may be facing twenty or thirty years over the horizon. As one General told me, "Obama is a national security threat."

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Sigh. More of the same partisan bull**** from you. Had Democrats opposed those weapons systems they never would have been built. Grow up.
    Did I mention Democrats ? I mentioned liberals or those leftist of the "New Left" who hide behind the label of being liberal or progressive.

    Not all Democrats despise the U.S. military and those who serve.

    But since the 1970's not all but most liberals with in the Democrat Party have opposed just about every weapons platform that has been produced. Even Senator Barack Obama opposed a defense spending amendment for further R&D of the Predator UAV (droane), the same weapons platform that Obama has made his weapon of choice today.

    BTW: Re: "partisan bull****", go to the top of this page and you'll see two words. Debate Politics. Telling others that you disagree with to "grow up" only reveals your immaturity.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    What it finally comes down too, Obama made a decision that the USAF disagreed with. The Air Force said they would need a minimum of 400 F-22's to guarantee air superiority for the next 50 years.

    That the production lines were shut down but the manufactures and hundreds of sub contractors held off for three years before dismantling and scrapping the production line until after the 2012 elections. By next year it will be impossible to reopen production of any more F-22's even though Russia and China both have come out with their own version of the F-22.

    Obama made a decision and many Generals say that Obama refuses to look at what threats America may be facing twenty or thirty years over the horizon. As one General told me, "Obama is a national security threat."
    I love your anecdotes, you really are so full of yourself that you think that's all you need to support your argument. Well I once had a General tell me that Obama was the greatest thing to happen to National Security since George Washington.

    Also the reduction from the USAF's initial estimates of 400 fighters was done during the Bush administration in 2004
    Losing Air Dominance

    In December 2004, the Rumsfeld Pentagon used a technical budget ruling known as a program budget decision to yank funds from a range of different programs. The cuts hit primarily from 2006 through 2010. For the air dominance force, it was devastating. Program Budget Decision 753 broke up the post-Gulf War fighter plan for good.

    PBD 753 slashed $10 billion from the F-22 procurement budget, leaving the program of record at an anemic level of just 183 F-22s. PBD 753’s reductions put the fighter force structure into the red. Without doubt, it left unfunded the Air Force’s requirement for fighters to meet deployment tasking for war plans under the national military strategy.
    While its true that during the Obama years many attempted to increase the number from 183, and its true that Obama and Secretary Gates were not on board with the idea and worked to prevented, it is not true that Obama made the decision to cut the number from 400 to the current 183.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    No not even the Hermit Nation is that crazy + it can only really destroy Alaska at present in any case.

    The Russians and the Chinese also want them to calm down. Both could apply a hell of alot more pressure for peace and unification though. But why would they give up a 100% influence against the west?

    Sabre rattling and patriotic gesturing is always good for the morale of the home front as Kim Jong is well aware.
    It's a nation that has to tell itself it's in a constant state of war otherwise the populace may wonder what life's like outside of it's Walls.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    In 1950 we were not nearly as mighty as we are today - thanks in part to Ronald Reagan.
    The NKs may be nuts but they are not stupid , they know this and they know our record - in Iraq.
    I look for them and their leader to settle, and ever so slowly, peace on this peninsula will occur.
    But, our extremists must be kept at bay.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    What it finally comes down too, Obama made a decision that the USAF disagreed with. The Air Force said they would need a minimum of 400 F-22's to guarantee air superiority for the next 50 years.

    That the production lines were shut down but the manufactures and hundreds of sub contractors held off for three years before dismantling and scrapping the production line until after the 2012 elections. By next year it will be impossible to reopen production of any more F-22's even though Russia and China both have come out with their own version of the F-22.

    Obama made a decision and many Generals say that Obama refuses to look at what threats America may be facing twenty or thirty years over the horizon. As one General told me, "Obama is a national security threat."
    How exactly will it be "impossible" to reopen the F-22 line? I find that curious the word impossible being used since after all it was built in the first place. I believe the word expensive should be used. Not impossible.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    How exactly will it be "impossible" to reopen the F-22 line? I find that curious the word impossible being used since after all it was built in the first place. I believe the word expensive should be used. Not impossible.
    The tools, dies, etc are being scrapped. Assembly lines are not packed up in crates and stored in warehouses.

    Those who have the skills and knowledge to build the F-22 have moved on.

    Why do you think we always have a nuclear sub under construction ? If we didn't those who know how to build those subs will have moved on and those skills will be lost.

    From the 1950 to the 1980's we neglected our Navy's mine warfare fleet. For thirty years we had WW ll, Korean War mine sweepers. During the Iran-Iraq War with Iran laying mines in the Gulf and the "Taker Wars" during the Reagan administration, those thirty plus year old mine sweepers had to be replaced.

    One thing about mine counter warfare ships, they have to be built out of wood or fiberglass not metal. Almost all mines are magnetic today, not contact mines that were used seventy years ago.

    There was one problem, there were no longer any ship builders alive or who were not retired in America who had the skills and knowledge to build warships out of wood.

    When the first new U.S. Navy mine hunter was finally launched, it was well over ten years behind schedule.

    This is also something that the anti gun political left forget, it's the civilian sports shooters who keep Colt, Remington, Sturm Ruger, Smith and Wesson, etc. and ammunition manufactures in business, not the U.S. military.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Our current series of drones would be easy meat in a conflicted airspace.
    Very true. Trust me. I fly UAVs for a living.
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