View Poll Results: Is US military action against North Korea imminent?

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  • No. Kim Jong Un will calm down or Obama will ignore him.

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  • North Korea will be hit with US air, drone and missle strikes.

    14 13.21%
  • A full land invasion of North Korea by US forces is coming soon.

    18 16.98%
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    If people stopped acting like NK was a "real problem" this would all go away.

    NK is grabbing attention the only way it can. Empty threats and saber-rattling.

    The best thing to do is ignore them.

    So no - there's absolutely 100% ZERO justification for any kind of action against NK.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    "Oh"......and what About the Mig 29. Do you think the F 15 can take those on? Also we have only a total of 160 F22. Moreover Drones wont work over N Korea. Ya have to control the Sky first.
    Actually the F-15 is the only fighter in the world with a perfect record. 100 kills to zero losses. Including the Mig 29. The F-15 is still a very viable and excellent aircraft it is just very much out classed in almost all ways with significant margin by the F-22. The F-22 would be a more cost and actual effective way of securing superiority while the F-15 is the cost effective way to maintain it.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's hard to say right now. It depends on how China would react. If China decides that they're done with NK, then it might happen. The big problem is the nukes. They probably can't nuke California, but they can nuke Seoul.
    ...or Tokyo, Okinawa, Alaska, Naval Base Guam and Anderson AF Base in Guam.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Actually the F-15 is the only fighter in the world with a perfect record. 100 kills to zero losses. Including the Mig 29. The F-15 is still a very viable and excellent aircraft it is just very much out classed in almost all ways with significant margin by the F-22. The F-22 would be a more cost and actual effective way of securing superiority while the F-15 is the cost effective way to maintain it.
    Well what about with a few Mig 35s? I don't think they will be able to hold that Perfect Record if they had to encounter such. Moreover, lets not forget all the Sam Sites and Mobile Launchers that will be assisting them should anything take place over their Skies. This wont be like Afghanistan or Iraq.

    Not that I think it will come to that. But you Know we cant send in the drones until we have control of the Skies.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    ...or Tokyo, Okinawa, Alaska, Naval Base Guam and Anderson AF Base in Guam.

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    If they can get the rockets and warheads to work the way they're supposed to. History would indicate that NK has some trouble with that.

    Regardless, it would be foolish to go storming in if the Chinese are going to defend them.


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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    There's one problem with your post. There never was a peace treaty signed. Technically the U.S. has been in a state of war with North Korea since 1950. All that was agreed on was a cease fire, that's all.

    I see today (Sunday) Obama has ordered F-22's to the region.

    Lets see, F-22's, B-2 bombers and anti ballistic anti missile batteries all deployed to the region. Everyone of those weapons platforms Obama and the liberals have opposed being funded and built.

    Do you see a problem here ?
    Sigh. More of the same partisan bull**** from you. Had Democrats opposed those weapons systems they never would have been built. Grow up.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    From RDS and what he had up, in another thread.



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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I always want the the troops to have the best equipment, but there's a practical side to this as well. I don't deny the F-22s superiority over anything else that flies these days, but in terms of dollars vs benefits I just don't see the value, its an air superiority fighter at at time when in our current wars we have air superiority by default meaning we don't even have to fight for it. Plus you have the fact that an F-22 costs about 5 times more than an F-15C, Apache was right about the designation, now does an F-22.

    Its an amazing piece of equipment that's for sure but I don't know if I see it as being worth the taxpayer dollars that went into it.
    Its your assumption that we will automatically have air superiority is where I believe you may need to review. That sort of thing should NEVER be assumed. They may have capabilities or circumstance or skill which may negate wholly or partially our aerial advantage. No plan survives contact with the enemy. It is in our best interests to maintain as much of a qualitative and capability advantage as we can, to minimize human and material loss and maximize initial and continuing effectiveness. The F-22 should be thought of as insurance against most of the vagaries of war. The F-22 will only pay for itself in conflict, by preserving more efficiently human and material capital on our side and more efficiently degrading enemy human and material capitol. Preserving capitol material and human has a domino effect over the course of a conflict.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    North Korea: What happens if Kim Jong-un acts on his threats?

    But if hostilities were in fact to erupt, how might they play out?

    Some former US Special Operations Forces and longtime Korea defense analysts have their own thoughts on what an “unequivocal” US military response could look like, including how US troops would be deployed in the event of a lethal first strike on US and allied military forces by North Korea – precisely the sort of move Mr. Kim has been threatening to make.

    What would such a first North Korean move resemble? It might involve small-scale infiltrations using mini-submarines, assassination attempts, “maybe shooting someone on the DMZ [demilitarized zone] or missile tests that fly too close over Japan,” says Patrick Cronin, senior director of the Asia-Pacific Security Program at the Center for a New American Security.

    One of the scenarios that most concerns US defense analysts, for example, involves North Korea’s estimated 500,000 to 700,000 rounds of artillery aimed at Seoul, says retired Brig. Gen. Russell Howard, former commander of the 1st Special Forces Group, which has an Asia focus.

    Should Kim decide to begin firing them, he says, “in the first few hours of the conflict, it would be pretty ugly.”

    At the same time, North Korea could begin “swarming” its sizable contingent of 600,000 Special Operations commandos, adds Mr. Howard, now the director of the Terrorism, Research, and Education Program at the Monterey Institute of International Studies.

    The “sole purpose” of this group, he adds “is to infiltrate the South and create havoc.”

    The realistic goal of the North Korean military would likely be to get some 150,000 of them over the border, where they would “go for infrastructure,” such as communications and transportation systems.

    Complicating efforts to find these infiltrators would be a massive influx of North Korean refugees, in the neighborhood of 3.5 to 4 million into China and another 2.5 million likely moving south into South Korea.

    “It’s going to be a human disaster that we’ve never experienced – there are going to be so many refugees,” Howard says. “It would just be a nightmare to try to separate civilians from the battlefield.”

    But while the US would no doubt disable these systems, “the artillery or chemical weapons that North Korea is capable of firing into Seoul – a city of some 20 million – would still have a devastating impact,” says Victor Cha, the Korea chair at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

    Most difficult of all, perhaps, would be the mission that US Special Operations Forces would be given: There is little doubt that they would be deployed with an urgent order to secure North Korean weapons of mass destruction.

    Accomplishing that “would be tough,” Howard says. “It would be very tough.”

    North Korea: What happens if Kim Jong-un acts on his threats?


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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well what about with a few Mig 35s? I don't think they will be able to hold that Perfect Record if they had to encounter such. Moreover, lets not forget all the Sam Sites and Mobile Launchers that will be assisting them should anything take place over their Skies. This wont be like Afghanistan or Iraq.

    Not that I think it will come to that. But you Know we cant send in the drones until we have control of the Skies.
    It can hold its own against Su-35s and other Su27 airframe aircraft, but the F-22 should be used to secure Air Superiority and F-15's maintain it. Our current series of drones would be easy meat in a conflicted airspace.
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