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  • No. Kim Jong Un will calm down or Obama will ignore him.

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  • North Korea will be hit with US air, drone and missle strikes.

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  • A full land invasion of North Korea by US forces is coming soon.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    North Korea warned Thursday that its military has been cleared to attack the U.S. using "smaller, lighter and diversified" nuclear weapons, while the U.S. said it will strengthen regional protection by deploying a missile defense system to Guam.



    Despite the intense rhetoric, analysts do not expect a nuclear attack by North Korea, which knows the move could trigger a destructive, suicidal war. Experts believe Pyongyang does not yet have the ability to launch nuclear-tipped missiles, but its other nuclear capabilities aren't fully known.

    The strident warning from Pyongyang is the latest in a series of escalating threats from North Korea, which has railed against joint U.S. and South Korean military exercises taking place in South Korea and has expressed anger over tightened sanctions for its February nuclear test.

    For a second day Thursday, North Korean border authorities denied entry to South Koreans who manage jointly run factories in the North Korean city of Kaesong. A North Korean government-run committee threatened to pull out North Korean workers from Kaesong as well.

    On Tuesday, Pyongyang announced it would restart a plutonium reactor it had shut down in 2007. A U.S. research institute said Wednesday that satellite imagery shows that construction needed for the restart has already begun.

    North Korea's military statement said its troops had been authorized to counter U.S. "aggression" with "powerful practical military counteractions," including nuclear weapons.

    "We formally inform the White House and Pentagon that the ever-escalating U.S. hostile policy toward the DPRK and its reckless nuclear threat will be smashed by the strong will of all the united service personnel and people and cutting-edge smaller, lighter and diversified nuclear strike means," an unnamed spokesman from the General Bureau of the Korean People's Army said in a statement carried by state media, referring to North Korea by its formal name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. "The U.S. had better ponder over the prevailing grave situation.".....snip~

    NKorea clears its military to attack US with nukes

    This morning Kim Jong Un told the South to get out of N Korea.....and they have now Moved Missiles up to their East Coast.

    Also I believe the Experts are wrong.....Especially since NKorea put up a successful launch into Orbit. Which means their Rocket is able to House a Satellite. If they can put a satellite up in Space. They can put a Nuke in the Tip of a Rocket.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    My prediction?

    There is no way the North does anything.

    They are massively weaker in conventional weapons.

    And their nuclear threat is mostly hollow as they know if they nuke Seoul that America will nuke Pyongyang...and possibly a few other places.

    The North are broke, starving and militarily far weaker then the South.

    They are TOTALLY BLUFFING.


    Man, I feel sorry for their citizens.
    I agree but setting off nuclear weapons tests is a serious provocation. Saying they are in a state of war with South Korea and by extension the US is a serious provocation. Announcing they have missiles pointed at American citizens is a serious provocation. Moving missiles to launch sites is a serious provocation. Announcing a merciless nuclear attack on the US has been examined and approved is a serious provocation. IMHO Kim Jong Un does not need to strike first. Everything he's said and done already is enough to warrant a massive airstrike on North Korean military targets, especially those related to nuclear weapons development, storage and delivery systems. We've gone to full scale war over a lot less.

    I realize its difficult for some Americans to see US security policy beyond their partisan political leanings, which IMHO is sad, but one thing I've observed about President Obama is he's cautious when it comes to the use of the military option but if he feels the safety of the American people is in question, he acts decisively. See: Gitmo, the extensive use of drones to wipe out Al Qaeda operatives, the attack on Abbottabad that ended the career of Osama Bin Laden without giving Pakistan any advance warning. And now setting the stage to eliminate the North Korean threat. To what extent it'll be used we don't know but he's parked enough naval assets off the coast of NKorea to topple the regime.

    I honestly wonder if Kim Jong Un is actually crazy or is he asking for his nuclear program to be destroyed getting them out of the equation once and for all but in a way let lets him save face with his Generals and still allow him to continue his slave master lifestyle over the NK population. Or alternately, strategically provoking their destruction so he can use threatening to rebuild his nuclear program as a blackmail barging chip to get American tax-payer money. If the continuous cycle of funding the NK government by black mailing America is NK's economic policy, the only next step they can use at this point is actually using his military against US and/or our allies. If he instigates a cleaver reset, they can start from scratch. Who knows? Just a thought.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Here is the Bit on them moving their Missiles.....confirmed by SKorea.

    SKorea: North Korea moved missile to east coast.....

    North Korea has moved a missile with "considerable range" to its east coast, South Korea's defense minister said Thursday, but he added that there are no signs that Pyongyang is preparing for a full-scale conflict.

    The report came hours after North Korea's military warned that it has been authorized to attack the U.S. using "smaller, lighter and diversified" nuclear weapons. It was the North's latest war cry against America in recent weeks. The reference to smaller weapons could be a claim that Pyongyang has improved its nuclear technology. Or a bluff.

    South Korean Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin said he did not know the reasons behind the North's missile movement, and that it "could be for testing or drills."

    He dismissed reports in Japanese media that the missile could be a KN-08, which is believed to be a long-range missile that if operable could hit the United States.

    Kim told lawmakers at a parliamentary committee meeting that the missile has "considerable range" but not enough to hit the U.S. mainland.

    The range he described could refer to a mobile North Korean missile known as the Musudan, which has a range of 3,000 kilometers (1,800 miles). That would make Japan and South Korea potential targets — along with U.S. bases in both countries — but there are doubts about the missile's accuracy.....snip~

    SKorea: North Korea moved missile to east coast

    The one thing they don't mention is about his 40 Subs and if an of them have been converted. Even Kim himself doubts they can hit the US Mainland from their home-ground.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Ok, its official. Kim Jong Un has lost his ever loving mind. Just got the CNN text alert saying intercepted communications from North Korea indicate they actually plan to launch missiles soon. Its about to get real up in this piece.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We shouldn't have bases in Japan and Guam.

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    Guam is sovereign U.S. territory. It has been for the past 115 years.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Oh c'mon. You should know that the biggest offender of Defense Industry waste above the Army is the Air Force. They deal in toys and to this day they are still trying to figure out their place in the "War on Terror." It wasn't that long ago that an investigation was launched by McCain into a refueling program in which many people were found guilty of embezzelment and fabricating reports of "needs of our troops" to Congress. If Congress is ignorant of military needs, its the fault of Generals and Admirals who lobby for the Defense Industry giants in exchange for future jobs upon military retirement. The fact that they had to alter the Program to imply the idea of troop ground support just to keep it alive should tell you the worth of the program. Maybe one day an F/A-22 will engage an enemy jet. But to this day no troop has been supported from this program. When troops entered Afghanistan with duct tape on their NBC suits and Democrats whined about body armor and upArmor in regards to Iraq, guess what was still getting billions in the name of "supporting the troop."

    We have 288 F/A-22s. That's enough and so is the obsession with tinkering with designs. I guarantee that dog fights over North Korea will be few and far between in only the beginning of a war because airfields along with parked North Korean jets will be the first to be destroyed. Those that do make it to the sky will be dealt with by other aircraft. The F/A-22 is just too expensive to risk in combat when other aircrafts can do the job. That is the practical truth and that is what they created..."for the troop."
    Actually there are only 187 F-22's that are operational. That number will decrease as they crash. All aircraft have a tendency to crash. For you people who think UAV's (drones for you laymen), the Predators and Reapers are five times more likely to crash from a malfunction than a F-15.
    If drones were to have a pilot in them, they all would have been grounded. Your talking about over a hundred UAV crashes. -> A Century of US Drone Crashes | Global Research

    The air threat to the United States now and in the future is real.
    Current Russian fighters are already on par with America’s best fighter, the F-15. Europe's and Russia's newest class of fighters will surpass the F-15.
    At least three foreign aircraft threaten to surpass the F-15’s performance in the near future: the French Rafale, the Eurofighter 2000 and the Russian Su-35. Some foreign aircraft are already at parity with the F-15
    Nations are already denying America access to airspace around the globe by obtaining low-cost, but sophisticated, surface-to-air missile systems
    Highly capable surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems pose a formidable challenge to the F-15’s survivability. Advanced SAM systems, because of their relatively low cost, are a quick and easy way for countries to modernize their air defense systems.

    Just months after the Obama administration canceled the F-22, both Russia and china have revealed their stealth version of the F-22. -> http://defensetech.org/2010/06/18/pu...n-f-22-raptor/

    What it has come down to, the U.S. Air Force no longer guarantees air superiority for the next forty years. It was the Obama administration and Congress who made that decision, not the Air Force.

    As for the "A" in FA-22. I don't think anyone at Lockheed Martin or in the Air Force tried to sale the F-22 as a close air support (CAS) aircraft. Having an "A" designation represents "attack" but doesn't mean it's suitable for CAS missions. The A-6 Intruder was rarely used for CAS, it was a deep strike aircraft.

    The only aircraft the Air Force has suitable for CAS missions is the A-10 Warthog and that aircraft has a awful record of providing CAS. It's not the aircraft but who's in the cockpit. Unlike Marine Corps aviators, Air Force pilots are not riflemen, Marine pilots are. Having served with 1st ANGLICO Sub Unit One, I have some knowledge about CAS.

    I was surprised on how many M-1 Abrams tanks, LAV-25's, and soldiers and Marines that Air Force A-10's took out in Iraq. The Air Force has a hard-on for shooting down enemy aircraft and dropping bombs from high altitude, not supporting the troops because it's a completely different game that only the U.S. Marine Corps has mastered.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    What it has come down to, the U.S. Air Force no longer guarantees air superiority for the next forty years. It was the Obama administration and Congress who made that decision, not the Air Force.
    But that is just it. The idea of the dog fight is ancient activity. The tactic in war is to destroy all enemy airfields and aircrafts still on the ground. Air Superiority is gained today through satellite imagery and rocket attacks upon hangers. It was actually the Israeli in the Suez War that provided this tactic. Knocking out over 90 percent of Egypt's Air Force before a rifle was fired won that war. The idea of F/A-22s dogfighting Korean F-15s over the skies is impractical. We just don't do that anymore. Our technology is such that we can protect our air superiority by erasing theirs before any troop crosses a line.

    One might be able to argue that the Air Force's F/A-22 Program was all that was keeping the Air Force necessary in their own eyes. Aside from flying troops across continents to get to the war zones, they have contributed very little. High altitude bombing was and is just a piece of a much larger precision attack conducted by low level Army, Marine, and Navy pilots. Aside from the most awesome A10, the Air Force's role in the "War on Terror" has been extremely limited. The same will be true in Korea because this war will be conducted in 2013?....not 1950. The mainstay of the Air Force was the dog fight. That wartime tactic is in the past as much as Napoleanic tactics of marching troops against each other.

    The Air force messed up two decades ago when they convinced Congress that the F/A-22 was also troop supporting. They preached it, but continued developing a toy for past wars. They should have actually began making it troop supporting, thereby giving them a bigger role in today's and the future's wars. Instead they opted for near sighted vision and have reduced themselves to bus drivers.
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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    [QUOTE=MSgt;1061652246] Aside from the most awesome A10, the Air Force's role in the "War on Terror" has been extremely limited. QUOTE]

    Being a Marine you should know, there's always someone who didn't get the word.

    Didn't you get the word ? Obama killed Osama. Obama said Al Qaeda is on the run and is being decimated.

    I think he said that just to get reelected. Considering that when he first entered the White House Al Qaeda was confined to Yemen and the African Horn. Now Al Qaeda can be found operating in almost every country in the Middle East and North Africa. Why do you think Obama blamed Benghazi on a Youtube video ? He didn't want Americans to know that Al Qaeda has actually been on the run, running all over the Middle East and North Africa.

    Now for your claim that the Air Force role being extremely limited on the "War on Terror", it seems the army, navy and Marines don't have any UAV's Predators or Reapers.

    But I digress.

    I've had more than a General tell me that the problem with Obama is he has his head buried in the sand. He's only concerned with the present and refuses to see the threats that America will be facing in the future.

    The clouds are already darkening over the horizon. The Marine Corps is preparing by going back to their roots, amphibious warfare, light naval infantry. In about twenty years from now China is going to challenge the U.S. Navy in the South China Sea. That's one threat that we already see and know it's coming. We still don't see the other threats that are out there.

    That Russian/India stealth fighter version of the F-22 is going to be exported to every rouge third world country. Likely Iran but they may go for the Chinese version of the F-22, the Chengdu J-20.

    How many Russian Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA's do you think they will manufacture in the next twenty years ? I bet more than 187.

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    Re: War/military action against North Korea predictions

    Nothing's gonna happen. However, I do find it disturbing that Pres Obama feels the need to poke NK with a stick by playing "mine is bigger that yours" game by sending F-22's, B-52's, etc over there. Dumb posturing IMO. NK is well aware that we could kick their butt in any sort of conflict. It might not be as easy as it was with Iraq in '03, but it would be inevitable. So why stir the pot? Just sit back, let the guy kick and scream, and save our money for the day it's needed. Deploying that crap over there isn't cheap by any stretch of the imagination. You know, with the sequester and all
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    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Now for your claim that the Air Force role being extremely limited on the "War on Terror", it seems the army, navy and Marines don't have any UAV's Predators or Reapers.
    Marines have UAV squadrons. But this distracts from my point. If the Air Force was created to dog fight and now exist in a world where dog fighting has been made obsolete and unnecessary, what has the Air Force been doing for the last two decades tinkering around with a weapon system that needs the past? Tactics change as tecnology introduces better ways to kill. Dogfighting is an old tactic that was necessary in wars of old. It no longer is.



    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    How many Russian Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA's do you think they will manufacture in the next twenty years ? I bet more than 187.
    It doesn't matter. They can have 1,000. If they get destroyed on the tarmac what does that number do for them, but show how they wasted their money? As it is we have sunk a ridiculous amount of money purchasing F/A-22s and we are afraid to use them. This means they are unnecessarily waiting around for a war that is somehow going to pull the past forward.

    Besides, just because the F/A-22 Program was shelved doesn't mean technology is stopped dead in its tracks.

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