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What's your opinion on female soldiers?

How do you feel about female soldiers?

  • Like them, GI Jane is HOT

    Votes: 13 26.0%

  • Like them, but not on the front lines

    Votes: 10 20.0%

  • I'm a realist, I don't like them

    Votes: 5 10.0%

  • Potato

    Votes: 22 44.0%
  • Total voters
    50
I may be misinformed again, but, feel free to rail on me with knowledge if I'm incorrect anyways. Shouldn't basic training incorporate the full weight of combat gear so that any individuals who couldn't carry the maximum load would break in training?
 
shlunka said:
I may be misinformed again, but, feel free to rail on me with knowledge if I'm incorrect anyways. Shouldn't basic training incorporate the full weight of combat gear so that any individuals who couldn't carry the maximum load would break in training?
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It depends. I went through the non-combat arms version of basic training, which is why it was co-ed. I think the most we ever rucked was about 30 lbs over 10 miles. The all male version of basic training meant to ready an infantryman for combat in the field would be much, much harder.

Ranger School would be even harder than that, and Special Forces Selection would be outright insane.

The point still stands, however. If a non-negligible percentage of female recruits have trouble getting through even the most dumbed down desk jockey version of basic training without physically breaking down and injuring themselves, the chances that many would be able to survive dedicated infantry training (let alone the daily rigors of their job in the field) are rather slim.
 
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Did you go to the link and read "The Porcelain Soldier" ? It's all there.

As for the Navy SEAL's, I don't speak for them, I can only go by what I personally observe and by what I'm personally told by those in the Naval Special Warfare community.

You know what a MEU is don't you ? Marine Expeditionary Unit. It roughly a reinforced Marine rifle battalion that is deployed on six month cruise on U.S. Navy amphibious assault ships. There's usually Navy SEAL's attached to every MEU.

NAVY SEALs - MEU(SOC) & FAST Marines

Naval Special Warfare Group ONE

BTW: did you get to read "Bush's Secret War Against Al Qaeda" when some idiot back in 2011 started to put up classified information on the internet before it was scrubbed from the internet. Just about all of the SEAL's missions mentioned started from the sea and involved swimming. Yemen is not a land locked country and neither is Somalia.
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The nicest thing I can say about Hackworth's op-ed is it is pure hackery. First he can't get even simple facts straight. Ft. Jackson doesn't produce Grunts. Not one. Ft. Jackson produces soldiers. Big differences. Another fact is no matter what a few think the vast majority of these soldiers are never going anywhere the primary purpose of the Army- kill people and break things. That in Hack's 'story' he seems to see every E-Vile he can conjure up again makes me throw the BS flag. I can tell you that if a Drill can get a 'cruit to do the task once the 'cruit can and will go on to succeed in training. Where the Drill earns his money and why the angry spit flinging Drill of my day is no more is all about understanding most of the 'troops' are not going to be crawling under fire to bring ammo to the machine gun post- part of my training back in the day.

Oh I know what a 'mew' is :lol: There is a wee little Jarhaid I know who's claim to fame is being one of the shortest Marines to certify as a Scout/Sniper. Has a CAR for that oil rig attack in the Gulf. He said force Recon sure, but a dedicated SEAL unit- no.

I'll stand by a Marine's training isn't harder or does 'more' than a SEAL trainee, you should read Kyle's book and talk to some SEALs.

Oh please give a bit more detail on the SEALs swimming in on al-Queera. Yemen and Somalia do have surf n turf, but that in no way means the SEALs are going to do that recruiter poster 'rise from the sea' mission. But like I said you don't need every SEAL team to be scuba qualified. Those Marines like Force Recon can surf and turf as well, maybe not SEALs but not too shabby on Mission Compete.
 
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I'll be honest, they gross me out. I don't like them one bit.

First, it's a waste of tax dollars to give women guns and have them running around playing GI Jane.

Second, what happens if a woman is caught in battle? A woman is a liability out there.

Women are physically, mentally, and emotionally not cut out to be soldiers. For that reason, they have not been soldiers all throughout human history.

It's only in our modern, metrosexual era where Hollywood replaces reality that we are deluded enouigh to believe that men and women are exactly the same in every respect.
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I would stop at physical not cut out. The rest is just hoopla. I think of it like this. Eliminate the separate standards for men and women in the army, and let the rest play itself out.
 
notquiteright said:
The nicest thing I can say about Hackworth's op-ed is it is pure hackery. First he can't get even simple facts straight. Ft. Jackson doesn't produce Grunts. Not one. Ft. Jackson produces soldiers. Big differences. Another fact is no matter what a few think the vast majority of these soldiers are never going anywhere the primary purpose of the Army- kill people and break things. That in Hack's 'story' he seems to see every E-Vile he can conjure up again makes me throw the BS flag. I can tell you that if a Drill can get a 'cruit to do the task once the 'cruit can and will go on to succeed in training. Where the Drill earns his money and why the angry spit flinging Drill of my day is no more is all about understanding most of the 'troops' are not going to be crawling under fire to bring ammo to the machine gun post- part of my training back in the day.

Oh I know what a 'mew' is :lol: There is a wee little Jarhaid I know who's claim to fame is being one of the shortest Marines to certify as a Scout/Sniper. Has a CAR for that oil rig attack in the Gulf. He said force Recon sure, but a dedicated SEAL unit- no.

I'll stand by a Marine's training isn't harder or does 'more' than a SEAL trainee, you should read Kyle's book and talk to some SEALs.

Oh please give a bit more detail on the SEALs swimming in on al-Queera. Yemen and Somalia do have surf n turf, but that in no way means the SEALs are going to do that recruiter poster 'rise from the sea' mission. But like I said you don't need every SEAL team to be scuba qualified. Those Marines like Force Recon can surf and turf as well, maybe not SEALs but not too shabby on Mission Compete.
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I don't know where you get your information from, books or movies but you should show a little respect to fallen heros who are no longer with us.

How do you think U.S. Navy SEAL's got to Yemen and were inserted and extracted undetected ? Did they take a Taxi or came on a chartered commercial flight ?



Baicaly I'm not going to argue with an idiot who believes that Navy SEAL's don't need to be able to swim or who thinks all SEAL operations have taken place on dry land hundreds of miles from the sea. I wonder what SEAL Teams 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, and 9 have been doing for the past twelve years ? (You are aware there is no SEAL Team Six ? It was deactivated back in 1986)




ENTITLEMENTS OF COL. DAVID H. HACKWORTH
(U.S. ARMY, RETIRED)

AWARDS & DECORATIONS
COLONEL DAVID H. HACKWORTH
(U.S. ARMY, RETIRED)




Individual Decorations & Service Medals:

Distinguished Service Cross (with one Oak Leaf Cluster)
Silver Star (with nine Oak Leaf Clusters)
Legion of Merit (with three Oak Leaf Clusters)
Distinguished Flying Cross
Bronze Star Medal (with "V" Device & seven Oak Leaf Clusters)(Seven of the awards for heroism)
Purple Heart (with seven Oak Leaf Clusters)
Air Medal (with "V" Device & Numeral 34)(One for heroism and 33 for aerial achievement)
Army Commendation Medal (w/ "V" Device & 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)
Good Conduct Medal
World War II Victory Medal
Army of Occupation Medal (with Germany and Japan Clasps)
National Defense Service Medal (with one Bronze Service Star)
Korean Service Medal (with Service Stars for eight campaigns)
Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
Vietnam Service Medal (2 Silver Service Stars = 10 campaigns)
Armed Forces Reserve Medal
Unit Awards:

Presidential Unit Citation
Valorous Unit Award (with one Oak Leaf Cluster)
Meritorious Unit Commendation
Badges & Tabs:

Combat Infantryman Badge (w/ one Star; representing 2 awards)
Master Parachutist Badge
Army General Staff Identification Badge
Foreign Awards:

United Nations Service Medal (Korea)
Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal with Device (1960)
Vietnam Cross of Gallantry (with two Gold Stars)
Vietnam Cross of Gallantry (with two Silver Stars)
Vietnam Armed Forces Honor Medal (1st Class)
Vietnam Staff Service Medal (1st Class)
Vietnam Army Distinguished Service Order, 2d Class
Vietnam Parachutist Badge (Master Level)
Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation
Republic of Vietnam Presidential Unit Citation
Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation (with three Palm oak leaf clusters)
Republic of Vietnam Civil Actions Honor Medal, First Class Unit Citation (with one Palm oak leaf cluster)
World War II Merchant Marine Awards:

Pacific War Zone Bar
Victory Medal

Note: As per a Department of the Army audit conducted by COL Pam Mitchell, Chief Personnel ServiceSupport Division on May 6 1999.
David H. Hackworth [hackworth.com]


Wear you National Defense Ribbon (aka National Firewatch Ribbon) proudly notquiteright, you probably earned it at Camp Snoopy.
 
This topic has been beat to death, eh?

To say that all women lack the skills to be front line soldiers, or especially soldiers at all, is just ignorant. There are women who are better shots, mentally stronger, and as physically adept as the average man.

You can't tell me that a woman getting shot at on the front lines is more of a liability than a man you've shared a barracks with for the length of your stent in the army coming under fire.
 
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This topic has been beat to death, eh?

To say that all women lack the skills to be front line soldiers, or especially soldiers at all, is just ignorant. There are women who are better shots, mentally stronger, and as physically adept as the average man.

You can't tell me that a woman getting shot at on the front lines is more of a liability than a man you've shared a barracks with for the length of your stent in the army coming under fire.
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Yes, and there are certain dogs who can bark out the tune to jingle bells. That doesn't mean that every dog, or even a great number of them, are capable of the same feat.

Women work just fine in non-combat positions. However, on average, women are simply a lot less physically capable of the kind of sustained strenuous physical activity that is demanded of a frontline combat soldier. They also tend to psychologically complicate matters of morale for male soldiers. These are indisputable facts.

There is a reason why virtually every army in recorded human history has been made up of men. I hate to break it to everyone, but objective reality is not "politically correct."
 
Peter Grimm said:
I'll be honest, they gross me out. I don't like them one bit.

First, it's a waste of tax dollars to give women guns and have them running around playing GI Jane.

Second, what happens if a woman is caught in battle? A woman is a liability out there.

Women are physically, mentally, and emotionally not cut out to be soldiers. For that reason, they have not been soldiers all throughout human history.

It's only in our modern, metrosexual era where Hollywood replaces reality that we are deluded enouigh to believe that men and women are exactly the same in every respect.
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Its too bad you don't know how to write poll questions.

Its also too bad you don't know history. Germans in WWII learned from Russians about women in battle.

You've already often explained your self assigned superior over women on many other threads.
 
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I'll be honest, they gross me out.
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Are we supposed to be presenting our opinion of how attractive we find female soldiers?

If not, this comment seems a bit out of place regarding your opening.

I don't like them one bit.
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And now you express hostility towards the female soldiers themselves? Are we debating the merits of the idea of women serving in the military, or are we just venting our personal distaste for women who do so?

First, it's a waste of tax dollars to give women guns and have them running around playing GI Jane.
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No more or less so than it is to give guns to men and have them run around pretending they're GI Joe.

Second, what happens if a woman is caught in battle?
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...The same things that can happen if a male soldier is captured?

A woman is a liability out there.
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No more then here male comrades.

Women are physically, mentally, and emotionally not cut out to be soldiers.
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Most people aren't physically, mentally, and emotionally cut out to be soldiers.

This being the reason we train them with a harsh regimen and provide generous health services after their tour.

For that reason, they have not been soldiers all throughout human history.
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It's only in our modern, metrosexual era where Hollywood replaces reality that we are deluded enouigh to believe that men and women are exactly the same in every respect.
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The bolded is not held to be strictly true by anyone.

What real argument is there against women serving in the military that is not based in either ignorance or male chauvinism?
 
Overall, I think it's a bad idea.

I have nothing against women serving in combat roles, per se, but their smaller, weaker frames will undoubtedly mean a lowering of physical standards to do the job. As in most government positions, we'll end up enacting quotas that turn away better qualified people in favor of more politically correct groups.

There are also long term healthcare costs to think of.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
I'll be honest, they gross me out. I don't like them one bit.

First, it's a waste of tax dollars to give women guns and have them running around playing GI Jane.

Second, what happens if a woman is caught in battle? A woman is a liability out there.

Women are physically, mentally, and emotionally not cut out to be soldiers. For that reason, they have not been soldiers all throughout human history.

It's only in our modern, metrosexual era where Hollywood replaces reality that we are deluded enouigh to believe that men and women are exactly the same in every respect.
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I think you are mostly wrong, but I do admire that you stated what you thought knowing there would be lots of feedback. I'm fine with women soldiers as long as their nature to stir crap through relationships is expressly recognized and mitigation planned for. If soldier A is mad at soldier B for sniffin' around in his private patch, or maybe fertilizing the patch, then soldier B becomes a candidate for fraggin'. One local war at a time is the limit.
 
Dapper Andy said:
Overall, I think it's a bad idea.

I have nothing against women serving in combat roles, per se, but their smaller, weaker frames will undoubtedly mean a lowering of physical standards to do the job. As in most government positions, we'll end up enacting quotas that turn away better qualified people in favor of more politically correct groups.

There are also long term healthcare costs to think of.
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The healthcare cost is a big deal. In the Corporate world healthcare costs are 4 times as high for women as for men. It is a part of the reason that they make 16% less than men.
 
DaveFagan said:
The healthcare cost is a big deal. In the Corporate world healthcare costs are 4 times as high for women as for men. It is a part of the reason that they make 16% less than men.
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That could be true but I was thinking more along the lines of their smaller, weaker frames will make them ripe for long term injuries due to combat.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I'll be honest, they gross me out. I don't like them one bit.

First, it's a waste of tax dollars to give women guns and have them running around playing GI Jane.

Second, what happens if a woman is caught in battle? A woman is a liability out there.

Women are physically, mentally, and emotionally not cut out to be soldiers. For that reason, they have not been soldiers all throughout human history.

It's only in our modern, metrosexual era where Hollywood replaces reality that we are deluded enouigh to believe that men and women are exactly the same in every respect.
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I'll say one thing for you, dude. You shoot from the hip.

Oh ****. lulz
 
Women should be actively encouraged to fight on the front lines.

Anything else only lends credence to feminist/misandrist indoctrination.
 
Every person should be judged as an individual. That is our human right. I certainly know of many women stronger than many men. I don't support lowering any standards for specific assignments, as long as those standards are relevant to the ability to perform the job.

The best thing about women in the military is that it will make more people reluctant to go to war since young women are not considered as expendable as young men.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
I'll be honest, they gross me out. I don't like them one bit.

First, it's a waste of tax dollars to give women guns and have them running around playing GI Jane.

Second, what happens if a woman is caught in battle? A woman is a liability out there.

Women are physically, mentally, and emotionally not cut out to be soldiers. For that reason, they have not been soldiers all throughout human history.

It's only in our modern, metrosexual era where Hollywood replaces reality that we are deluded enouigh to believe that men and women are exactly the same in every respect.
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I beg to differ sir... you should meet my Captain. She is one of the two women on this planet that has struck the fear of God into me (the other being my mother). I do not have the slightest doubt that woman can whoop just about every ass on this forum. The scariest part is... she is one SEXY ASS MARINE!!! JESUS H. CHRIST THIS WOMAN IS HOT!!


But than again..... I guess you are referring to women SOLDIERS. Like I said before, my captain wears the EGA. So I guess I didn't really answer the question. :cool::fueltofire:

OORAH!!
 
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Lightning said:
I beg to differ sir... you should meet my Captain. She is one of the two women on this planet that has struck the fear of God into me (the other being my mother). I do not have the slightest doubt that woman can whoop just about every ass on this forum. The scariest part is... she is one SEXY ASS MARINE!!! JESUS H. CHRIST THIS WOMAN IS HOT!!


But than again..... I guess you are referring to women SOLDIERS. Like I said before, my captain wears the EGA. So I guess I didn't really answer the question. :cool::fueltofire:

OORAH!!
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A soldier is anyone who serves in the military, so, yes, marines are soldiers too. :2razz:
 
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